You cannot be pro October revolution and anti beer hall putsch. We have more in common with national SOCIALISTS than we do with purported Politburo leaders. Proletarians are reading the river correctly, why would they respond to us while we are embracing ideological division?

Global capitalism is not responding to the will of the SOCIALISTS because we are falsely fractured. The divide is exaggerated, intentionally, and it serves the purpose of staving off change.

This is a populist movement. “We can’t talk to nazis” is a new embrace of what we’re supposed to be fighting against.

  • Phillipkdink [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    You're going to catch hell for this but I agree. Don't talk to them online, that's pointless. But a lot of these people are totally gettable - they have legitimate basic concerns but an incoherent solution.

    Like people against talking to people with unsavoury views have no experience with a union. God damn sometimes people have backward views and that sucks, but making them feel totally socially isolated and disempowered is the least likely path to change that.

      • Phillipkdink [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Ah fuck this is in c/copypasta. Yeah I stand by it though, I won't delete it even though I look dumb.

        And FWIW must of these dummies don't actively do anything, most of them just sit around and get their ideas reinforced. If there's a reactionary in your life you should give them as much attention as they're willing to accept, isolating them only makes the problem worse.

          • Phillipkdink [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Fuck off this doesn't make me a Nazi sympathizer. We can disagree but you don't need to name-call.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      The key difference here is between "people with backwards/unsavory views" and "committed bigots/committed fascists." If they just grew up in a conservative area where a lot of awful shit is normalized (for instance, racist jokes and using slurs as common insults), and they're just "culturally" conservative, yeah, sure, you can bring some of them around. You're still probably better off spending your time on someone else, but hey, cast a wide net. But if they've bought into right-wing propaganda and have internalized that shit? 99 times out of 100 they're a lost cause. No reason to waste any time on them if you can avoid it.