• boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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    Actual libs get a pass, they're anticapitalists like us. Any capitalist claiming to be a lib or someone claiming a capitalist a lib is just messed up from the life-long programming

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      That's not what liberal means.

      There is no such thing as an anti-capitalist liberal. Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. Liberals created the capitalist world order. That's not life long programming, thats several hundred years of political theory and basic definitions.

      If you want to pretend that liberal means something else great, just don't claim that everyone else in the world using the word correctly is wrong.

      • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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        1 year ago

        I mean I think Richard Rorty makes a compelling case that anti-capitalism actually carries the purported goals of liberalism further than so called "liberal" economics and so he was happy to identify self-consistently as an anti-capitalist liberal.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          The French liberals that carried out the Revolution would be rolling their eyes at you. The English and French political theorists that invented liberalism would be rolling their eyes at you

          If liberals are staunch anti-capitalists, then name one

          • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            The french revolutionaries literally liberated themselves of the. same. things. we need again.

            But you're messing with me. I now recognize the account from the other trickses you naughty ;)

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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              The french revolutionaries literally liberated themselves of the. same. things. we need again

              You think liberal just means belief in liberation? Okay, nice that you have your own special definition that no other leftist uses.

              But you're messing with me.

              No I'm being honest. Just like every other time I've replied to you

              trickses

              Where's the trick? You're the one claiming every other leftist is brainwashed because we don't use your personal definition of liberal. We use the one based in theory and history

              And if you want to prove us wrong. Name one anti-capitalist liberal

            • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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              1 year ago

              The french revolutionaries literally liberated themselves of the. same. things. we need again.

              The fuck you talking about that was a bourgeois revolution that overthrew feudalism. There's a reason Les Mis is about a revolt that took place 40 years later.

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                  • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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                    You can take this as a "no u" if you want

                    It really is interesting that someone pushes these own ideas of rage and smugness towards someone else. Force enough and I'll get annoyed and you'll get a self-fulfilling prophecy? Plausible, but it's still weird until those qualities are displayed

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        • Awoo [she/her]
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          I'm part Czech part British part French. You'd be wrong in all of those countries too.

          Can you also please tell me what the name of the party is that all the fascists created in Japan after ww2 and which still rules to this day?

          • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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            You mean like Nazis called themselves socialists? Do you believe them??

            (Never trust a right winger. Never trust what they call others, never trust what they try to call themselves)

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            • Awoo [she/her]
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              1 year ago

              Never trust a right winger.

              Libs are included in that.

        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          I'm not a yank and what BurgerPunk told you is 100% correct.

          But I suppose you're just trolling for attention.

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    • Awoo [she/her]
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      With respect, liberalism is the ideology of free markets and private property. It is the ideology of capitalism. To be a "lib" is to be a capitalist.

      If you still call yourself a lib and not a socialist, you should stop. It is political illiteracy.