This may be true, but perhaps they should be referred to as expats? I don't know, it seems like popular definition says Expats refers to people who are in another country specifically for a work related reason, but older definitions imply it has more to do with being "exiled."
In my expirience the people who call themselves "Expats" are doing so because they have no desire to adopt the culture of their new home or integrate.
If I do that where I live or anywhere else in Europe I'll be denied citizenship. Not so for another westerner. You're just making my point for me lol. Expat is just a racial/imperial signifier
I'm not sure why would get your citezenship denied, do you mean it would be revoked in your original country? Maybe I'm tired and misunderstanding you. You make good points and are probably right, the basis of my argument is just that the only people I've ever heard use the word "Expat" to describe themselves are westerners who think cultural integration is beneath them.
I’m not sure why would get your citezenship denied
I mean my application for citizenship here. If I thought cultural integration was beneath me I'll be spat on in the streets and my chances of deportation would like double.
who think cultural integration is beneath them
which is the most insulting thing you can do. In the west that's expected if not required.
We just fucking lazy and don't want to learn the local languages. Likewise, lol imagine wanting to live in a foreign country forever, why do that when we have our own. We know the job markets back home are shit, but the money is just not there.
I can only speak for Germany, but my impression (as a white person who was born here, so take it with a grain of salt) is that whether people use the expat label is about which job you come for. If you work in finance or software development or some other white collar job, you'll probably get labeled as an expat. If the work you do is harvesting asparagus or meatpacking or construction or some other manual labor, you'll get referred to as a Saisonarbeiter ("seasonal worker") or something similar instead, like Gastarbeiter ("guest worker") for people who came in the 50s-70s to mostly work in factory jobs. Expat is a much newer term, and it's exclusively used as the loan word. There is no German synonym for it, and no desire to find one. On the contrary, using the English loan word underlines that the people referred to as expats are seen as highly educated cosmopolitans.
I don't get the impression that these terms are delineated along where you come from - a Romanian or Ukrainian working at a fintech startup would also be known as an expat, same for people coming from outside of Europe.
So at first glance, it seems as if it's exclusively about class issues. But that's assuming a context where people are already aware what you do for a living. In many cases, people don't know and will just make assumptions instead - that you're a refugee if you look middle eastern and have an Arabian accent, that you're an expat if you look "Chinese" to them and so on. These are the assumptions normal people make, chuds will just go with whatever fearmongering narrative they picked up last, which usually means that nonwhite will flat-out be equated with illegal alien living off welfare.
IMO the difference is Expats are still Chauvinists for their former home while immigrants are seeking to integrate themselves.
A lot of eastern europeans need to move to western or central Europe for work and plan on returning someday and no one calls them expats.
This may be true, but perhaps they should be referred to as expats? I don't know, it seems like popular definition says Expats refers to people who are in another country specifically for a work related reason, but older definitions imply it has more to do with being "exiled."
In my expirience the people who call themselves "Expats" are doing so because they have no desire to adopt the culture of their new home or integrate.
If I do that where I live or anywhere else in Europe I'll be denied citizenship. Not so for another westerner. You're just making my point for me lol. Expat is just a racial/imperial signifier
I'm not sure why would get your citezenship denied, do you mean it would be revoked in your original country? Maybe I'm tired and misunderstanding you. You make good points and are probably right, the basis of my argument is just that the only people I've ever heard use the word "Expat" to describe themselves are westerners who think cultural integration is beneath them.
I mean my application for citizenship here. If I thought cultural integration was beneath me I'll be spat on in the streets and my chances of deportation would like double.
which is the most insulting thing you can do. In the west that's expected if not required.
We just fucking lazy and don't want to learn the local languages. Likewise, lol imagine wanting to live in a foreign country forever, why do that when we have our own. We know the job markets back home are shit, but the money is just not there.
I can only speak for Germany, but my impression (as a white person who was born here, so take it with a grain of salt) is that whether people use the expat label is about which job you come for. If you work in finance or software development or some other white collar job, you'll probably get labeled as an expat. If the work you do is harvesting asparagus or meatpacking or construction or some other manual labor, you'll get referred to as a Saisonarbeiter ("seasonal worker") or something similar instead, like Gastarbeiter ("guest worker") for people who came in the 50s-70s to mostly work in factory jobs. Expat is a much newer term, and it's exclusively used as the loan word. There is no German synonym for it, and no desire to find one. On the contrary, using the English loan word underlines that the people referred to as expats are seen as highly educated cosmopolitans.
I don't get the impression that these terms are delineated along where you come from - a Romanian or Ukrainian working at a fintech startup would also be known as an expat, same for people coming from outside of Europe.
So at first glance, it seems as if it's exclusively about class issues. But that's assuming a context where people are already aware what you do for a living. In many cases, people don't know and will just make assumptions instead - that you're a refugee if you look middle eastern and have an Arabian accent, that you're an expat if you look "Chinese" to them and so on. These are the assumptions normal people make, chuds will just go with whatever fearmongering narrative they picked up last, which usually means that nonwhite will flat-out be equated with illegal alien living off welfare.
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Not integrating into garbage western countries is praxis.
No I will not be answering questions.