How I survived a Chinese 're-education' camp for Uighurs
www.theguardian.com
The long read: After 10 years living in France, I returned to China to sign some papers and I was locked up. For the next two years, I was systematically dehumanised, humiliated and brainwashed

a completely unsourced rant, from the same people that peddled the 'Iraq has WMD's' bullshit.

Some names have been changed.

Was Adrien Zenz one of them?

  • ElGosso [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    If they really wanted to kill all of the Uyghurs... why haven't they? Hasn't this been going on for, like, ten years? How long does it take to kill someone?!

    • sailorfish [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I don't think this is a great argument either way. It's the exact same one people use to defend Israel. "If Israel is so cruel to Palestinians, how come the population has grown, huh? How long does it take to kill someone?!"

    • PowerUser [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I mean we have a clear historical example, where 6 million Jewish people were exterminated from 1941 to 1945.

      The first thing that really convinced me that the broader genocide claims were very suspect was an NPR article that cited a 5x increase in the rate of sterilisations (and the usual Zenz quotes). Except the nominal figures were referred as well, and it was an increase from 50 people per year to 250 per year in a region with millions of people.

      • MerryChristmas [any]
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        4 years ago

        While I agree with you, it's important to remember that most of the death camps were outside of Germany. Hitler set up the most extreme camps in states that the Nazis had already toppled because open genocide tends to lead to civil unrest.

        Basically, I'm saying that without the chaos of an all-out world war, I don't think the holocaust can be used as a standard measurement of how long that process might take.