The video is to prove a point really fast, but, cows actually do only eat proteins. They have three stomachs that they use to feed grass to bacterial colonies, which they then pull into their fourth stomach to eat, with any of the grass that's left un-eaten by the bacteria being shit straight out without being processed any further. They don't eat the grass, the grass is there to feed what they do eat, which is supplemented by eating any large animal small enough to fit in their mouth. I read a study once that almost all cows when dissected had at least 1 animal in their digestive system at a time.

The notion that cows are good peaceful harmless herbivores who eat nothing but grass is nonsense. Here's a video of a cow eating the corpse of a donkey. Of note: there's grass right next to the body. And it isn't just a result of cows being fucked up by human domestication, wild deer (who you cannot blame on humans malnourishing it or contaminating its feed or whatever) do it too.

constructing an elaborate worldview out of a kindergarten level understanding of biology and then getting extremely smug about it annoys me relentlessly. Cows would eat you if they had the chance

  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I definitely am discussing in good faith, because I actually want to drill down and examine these notions more fully, not just double-down & snidely dismiss others or pretend like I occupied some "moral" high ground all along

    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      i definitely am discussing i good faith

      nope

      not just ... snidely dismiss others

      you are literally dismissing what i said because you have in your head some idea of what i might say and are preemptively responding to that instead of attempting to find out my actual beliefs by addressing what i did say

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Yes, I am here discussing in good faith

        You attempted to snidely dismiss me when I tried to bring up these ethical arguments from a critical perspective

        I don't know what your beliefs are, true, and I said as much when I pointed out how we're stuck quibbling& deflecting here because you seem unwilling to discuss in good faith

        I just know that you lashed out when I suggested that many animals probably have an "animal" ethics & decision-making calculus based specifically within the confines of their own evolutionary & ecological/social development

        • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          no.

          you’re hand-waving here, and trying to turn near-religious dogma& self-certitude into an actual “social cause”.

          once you said this, you were "snidely dismissing" anything i had to say. that is not good faith, and that is the point at which i stopped giving any shits about this conversation.

          btfo :LIB:

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            you tried to be dismissive & disregarded me in bad faith in your comment immediately before the one you just quoted, I was only mirroring your temperament

            you fundamentally misrepresented what I said, and then attacked that instead... pretty unconvincing

            • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              no. i didnt.

              now, you could say i was rude in pointing out that your reply to my first comment was almost entirely nonsensical drivel, but it was not "overemotional" or in bad faith.

              i pointed out that the entire preposed argument was based on a faulty framework that made everything following irrelevant, because that is the case.

              • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Yes, you were definitely responding in bad faith, and continued to take this name-calling & dismissive approach in every subsequent response you made

                I also said that if concern for meat consumption by others is based on a faulty framework of unevenly applied "human ethics" to animals, without any real recognition of animal ethics & social behavior, then it borders on dogma & you keep going out of your way to prove this

                I will disengage if we can stop responding to one another here

                • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  waaah i dont like it when people respond in bad faith after i did a badfaith waaaaaah

                  get over it.

                  animal ethics

                  not a thing. animals do not have ethics.

                  feel free to fuck off at anytime tho, idgaf

                  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    animal ethics is one of the most rich areas of philosophical & legal and biological scientific understanding

                    animals certainly have social & ecological considerations & their decisions & behaviors are moderated in many ways, genetically & environmentally & between individuals, that promote certain adaptations and social frameworks over others

                    I will no longer respond when I stop receiving these notifications

            • QuillQuote [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              Perhaps a grillpill break would be more advisable than continuing this

              • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Thank you for warning me! I will definitely stop responding when this person does

                I don't grill though

                Cooking meat at high temperatures produces cancer-causing chemicals called heterocyclic amines

                • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  Thank you for warning me! I will definitely stop responding when this person does

                  That's pretty childish, cmon. This isn't a healthy or productive interaction for either of you

                  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    I agree! I wanted it to be productive & thought there could be some exchange of information and perspective

                    Definitely don't want to be bogged down examining the tone of these arguments & just want to not have these notifications