cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2139382
It seems most cross tendency engagement devolves in to fights between leftcoms/anarchists vs AES supporters or “Dengists” vs Maoists. Anyone can point at each other and say “they started it” and avoid responsibilities. We agree on 90% of stuff but Anarchists decide to randomly call us tankies and we feel the need to defend ourselves or else look like we lost without an argument. Likewise we make memes about Anarkiddies and write texts denouncing them and they feel the same. Among scientific socialists we see China as an ally and an example to learn from while Maoists want to call out “revisionism.” There seems to be a contradiction between the history of different socialist experiments and disagreements not really mattering to our own conditions and those experiments also being vital learning experiences for us.
It’s strange to think about how we pretty much agree with Patsocs on more than almost any other tendency yet they are almost useless because they don’t understand the basic dialectical method and why have our positions beyond aesthetics and thus cannot understand the basic material conditions of this country.
We can keep trying to bring more people into our own sects and hope they do work for our own type of socialism irl, but if we’re so divided how can this happen. Of course we should all just log off and do things irl, but then some will fall into the trap of either larping or just helping their own friends without the wider goal of revolution.
We all need to remember that the feds let us speak because we spend all our time bickering. How can we unify as a revolutionary left? There are projects irl for trying to find unity as scientific socialists like ChunkaLuta, but it would be nice to be able to do the same online. In a way I’m just wishing everyone could just listen to revleft and everything could work out, but what can Lemmygrad and hexbear do for this vision?
You could start by not banning people for having takes you think are slightly bad or whatever.
Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine
Spouting nazi propaganda is going to get you banned from a left space
This is the part where you get asked for examples and provide absolutely none.
Like, what do you expect a socialist space to do in order to keep it socialist? Allow it to be overrun by liberals and fascists? Lmao. How do you think liberal spaces remain liberal?
I was in the middle of a conversation about pros and cons of Wikipedia when I got banned on genzedong.
Liar
Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine
Where "repeatedly" means that it was one of the things we were discussing.
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Nice self portrait
Saying you're a socialist while supporting NATO is peak 🤡
Blatantly bad faith.
I've been seeing posters for a local revsoc group, so I guess I really should just do that and disengage from all this terminally online nonsense.
Have fun accomplishing nothing
Cool, go defend wikipedia with them. Accomplish something real like that
Case in point
Death to natopedia.
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CIA are literally the biggest editors on the site. The only people that eyeroll this are the western chauvinists and white supremacists that support their actions to revise history and paint a very specific narrative on every single topic to the benefit of american interests. Go fuck yourself, your ban was well deserved.
I'm dying to hear your explanation of what this means in practice
In practice it means the US imperialist narrative is rampant on every single page, and that the byzantine rules system of wikipedia they have helped build advantages full time employed people from their organisation because the average person simply does not have the time to understand how to navigate it. It means real journalists get labelled untrustworthy while fake mainstream media """journalists""" better described as propagandists or influencers get trusted on everything no matter how many times they're proven incorrect. It means pages like Azov's get rewritten piece by piece to remove references to their nazism. It means pages about war crimes the cia dislikes get deleted, etc etc.
What the fuck do you think it means? That a bunch of people whose principle jobs are disinformation, destroying democracies, doing assassinations against leftists, funnelling money to fascists and performing torture have the interests of the world at heart? Fucking idiot. They have the interests of the american state and american SUPREMACY at heart, which represents white supremacy on the global stage. Your support and defence of them represents your supremacist brainworms
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Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine
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My mistake. I didn't catch whether the lib was scratched or not.
To be fair they're both lol. And they're claiming to be the one true leftist.
They're defending wikipedia from communists, talking about Holodomor, whining about being banned and they're telling me to touch grass
Edit: they just pulled one of your favorite redditor techniques - calling me crazy and that they hope i get help
That shit is so. Fucking. Exhausting. They can cry crocodile tears for pretentious Broadway musicals, but actual compassion for anyone not as privileged as themselves is foreign and strange.
Oh, you didn't grasp the beauty of Hamilton? You probably wouldn't, because you're clearly mentally ill, which is bad and makes you inferior to me. Is there a parent or legal guardian you can call? I hope you get help, i really, really do
I get where you're coming from, but that would be predicated on the idea that the user with the bad take would be willing to learn and admit fault. I see roughly a 1out of 5 success rate with that here.
Hard to admit anything when you get banned in the middle of a conversation.
Depends on the take. At some point, there's gotta be some thing, some goal, some idea that you don't compromise on.
I was in the middle of a conversation about pros and cons of Wikipedia when I got banned on genzedong.
Apparently the thing they don't compromise on is Wikipedia being a CIA front.
Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine
You were spouting nazi propaganda so fuck off
I would also have described the Irish famine as man-made, but part of the conversation was about whether the term makes sense at all.
I thought the Nazi line was that it was genocide?
I only said the Holodomor was man made
In the context of an encyclopedia the points that matter are:
Both were part of the conversation.
Btw, I've been a socialist my entire life. Immediately alienating people for not having fully formed perfect opinions on every subject is some real echochamber bs.
You support Wikipedia and NATO
Sure, you're the one true leftist
Touch grass, weirdo.
You're the one defending Wikipedia to communists
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oh shit, you're one of those guys on reddit who goes to people's profiles and presses the "get them help and support" button
I have never in my life done that.
You must be one of those people who make completely baseless assumptions about others so you can feel superior.
I was implying that he's a pathetic man-child. Given that he's called me a Nazi, I think that's perfectly fair.
"You disagree with me so you are incoherent and mentally ill. You need to be off the internet, unlike me. I'm so not mad that I got banned for defending wikipedia that I'm now whining about it and misrepresenting why i got banned. A totally not too online behavior. You're waaaaay too online for pointing all this out.
I hope you get help"
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Curious, do you have any examples?
They were spouting nazi propaganda about the Holodomor
For the record, that's a lie.
I was in the middle of a conversation about pros and cons of Wikipedia when I got banned on genzedong.