cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2139382

It seems most cross tendency engagement devolves in to fights between leftcoms/anarchists vs AES supporters or “Dengists” vs Maoists. Anyone can point at each other and say “they started it” and avoid responsibilities. We agree on 90% of stuff but Anarchists decide to randomly call us tankies and we feel the need to defend ourselves or else look like we lost without an argument. Likewise we make memes about Anarkiddies and write texts denouncing them and they feel the same. Among scientific socialists we see China as an ally and an example to learn from while Maoists want to call out “revisionism.” There seems to be a contradiction between the history of different socialist experiments and disagreements not really mattering to our own conditions and those experiments also being vital learning experiences for us.

It’s strange to think about how we pretty much agree with Patsocs on more than almost any other tendency yet they are almost useless because they don’t understand the basic dialectical method and why have our positions beyond aesthetics and thus cannot understand the basic material conditions of this country.

We can keep trying to bring more people into our own sects and hope they do work for our own type of socialism irl, but if we’re so divided how can this happen. Of course we should all just log off and do things irl, but then some will fall into the trap of either larping or just helping their own friends without the wider goal of revolution.

We all need to remember that the feds let us speak because we spend all our time bickering. How can we unify as a revolutionary left? There are projects irl for trying to find unity as scientific socialists like ChunkaLuta, but it would be nice to be able to do the same online. In a way I’m just wishing everyone could just listen to revleft and everything could work out, but what can Lemmygrad and hexbear do for this vision?

  • Serdan@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    You could start by not banning people for having takes you think are slightly bad or whatever.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine

      michael-laugh just a discussion about wikipedia, eh?

      Spouting nazi propaganda is going to get you banned from a left space

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      This is the part where you get asked for examples and provide absolutely none.

      Like, what do you expect a socialist space to do in order to keep it socialist? Allow it to be overrun by liberals and fascists? Lmao. How do you think liberal spaces remain liberal?

      • Serdan@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        I was in the middle of a conversation about pros and cons of Wikipedia when I got banned on genzedong.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Liar

          Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              1 year ago

              CIA are literally the biggest editors on the site. The only people that eyeroll this are the western chauvinists and white supremacists that support their actions to revise history and paint a very specific narrative on every single topic to the benefit of american interests. Go fuck yourself, your ban was well deserved.

              PIGPOOPBALLS pigpoop

              • Serdan@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                CIA are literally the biggest editors on the site.

                I'm dying to hear your explanation of what this means in practice

                • Awoo [she/her]
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                  1 year ago

                  In practice it means the US imperialist narrative is rampant on every single page, and that the byzantine rules system of wikipedia they have helped build advantages full time employed people from their organisation because the average person simply does not have the time to understand how to navigate it. It means real journalists get labelled untrustworthy while fake mainstream media """journalists""" better described as propagandists or influencers get trusted on everything no matter how many times they're proven incorrect. It means pages like Azov's get rewritten piece by piece to remove references to their nazism. It means pages about war crimes the cia dislikes get deleted, etc etc.

                  What the fuck do you think it means? That a bunch of people whose principle jobs are disinformation, destroying democracies, doing assassinations against leftists, funnelling money to fascists and performing torture have the interests of the world at heart? Fucking idiot. They have the interests of the american state and american SUPREMACY at heart, which represents white supremacy on the global stage. Your support and defence of them represents your supremacist brainworms brainworms .

    • NewLeaf
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      1 year ago

      I get where you're coming from, but that would be predicated on the idea that the user with the bad take would be willing to learn and admit fault. I see roughly a 1out of 5 success rate with that here.

      • Serdan@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        Hard to admit anything when you get banned in the middle of a conversation.

    • UlyssesT
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      2 months ago

      deleted by creator

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine

        More pit than smuglord

        • UlyssesT
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          deleted by creator

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            To be fair they're both lol. And they're claiming to be the one true leftist.

            They're defending wikipedia from communists, talking about Holodomor, whining about being banned and they're telling me to touch grass michael-laugh

            Edit: they just pulled one of your favorite redditor techniques - calling me crazy and that they hope i get help

            • UlyssesT
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              2 months ago

              deleted by creator

              • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                Oh, you didn't grasp the beauty of Hamilton? You probably wouldn't, because you're clearly mentally ill, which is bad and makes you inferior to me. Is there a parent or legal guardian you can call? I hope you get help, i really, really do smuglord

    • D61 [any]
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      1 year ago

      Depends on the take. At some point, there's gotta be some thing, some goal, some idea that you don't compromise on.

      • Serdan@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        I was in the middle of a conversation about pros and cons of Wikipedia when I got banned on genzedong.

        Apparently the thing they don't compromise on is Wikipedia being a CIA front.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Banned @Serdan@lemm.ee from the community genzedong@lemmygrad.ml reason: repeatedly describing the "Holodomor" as a man-made famine

          You were spouting nazi propaganda so fuck off

          • Serdan@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            I would also have described the Irish famine as man-made, but part of the conversation was about whether the term makes sense at all.

            I thought the Nazi line was that it was genocide?

              • Serdan@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                In the context of an encyclopedia the points that matter are:

                • Is it a meaningful distinction, and
                • Is it applied consistently

                Both were part of the conversation.

                Btw, I've been a socialist my entire life. Immediately alienating people for not having fully formed perfect opinions on every subject is some real echochamber bs.