...we're gonna have to re-evaluate old concepts of free speech and democracy.

Everyone's on anti depressants/sleepers/speed, the chuds are blasting testosterone out their ears until they stroke, weed is everywhere and as potent as heroin.

Add the perfect dopamine delivery system, a political internet economy modeled on the addictive technology of vegas slot machines.

It's gonna have an effect on the national psyche.

Is it a partial explanation for Q?

Shout out to the divorced, biker, small business tyrant, dad...caught with test injectables and thc edibles, and guns, after the Capitol. Just the only man for the moment.

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edit: gotta step away for now. will come back to this. Feels like this post was misunderstood, or I just didn't make enough sense. Hope it won't make things awkward when i slide into selected PMs asking for a plug 😀

  • JackDecker [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    The issue is that virtually everything you're saying is pure conjecture. My 65 year old dad could tell you that his curriculum was from a centrist/right perspective, I mean for fucks sake the entire world was raised on red scare propaganda for like 90 years. But because you had a pro-American schooling and because in your specific area history is elective I'm just supposed to accept that education is "dumbed down" despite all evidence to the contrary? That's absurd. I even disagree with the premise that children learning practical computer skills is some sort of signifier of the downfall of education. It comes off as boomer tier "kids these days on their computers" type energy. I'm assuming we're talking the final years of high school education too. The reality is that programming or web design may have a more practical use to someone than forcing American imperialist propaganda down their throat.

    People are focusing on the drug part of your post because it's a major part of your argument. I mentioned this before, and you never really addressed it, but you're grouping a bunch of different psychoactive drugs, and as far as I can tell, there's really no consideration being put into why those particular drugs are dangerous, mind altering Q enablers. A lot of things are psychoactive. The coffee you drink in the morning has psychoactive properties. If you're going to make a pretty extraordinary claim, you sure as hell better be able to specifically explain how each individual drug is contributing and what the science is behind it. This is my primary issue with every argument you're making here, they rely on you asking questions rather than providing evidence. It's a way to shift the burden of proof on others while not actually fully committing to an ideological position you know you can't defend.

    If people are mixing many psyschoactive medications and recreationals couldn’t that result in unpredictable behaviours and beliefs on the macro, wider, societal level?

    This is a prime example. A lot of things "could" result in unpredictable behaviours, but it's a mistake to think that because something "could" happen, that is is evidence in favour of it actually happening. Couldn't our reptilian overlords be transmitting mind control waves that result in unpredictable behaviours? Sure, but you better bring some strong evidence if that's an argument you're seriously putting forward. Not that I even know which psychoactive medications are being mixed and by whom and how those medications actually interact with each other and what specific "beliefs" they foster, nor do I think that's information you can provide beyond some sort of personal anecdote.

    And okay, caffeine makes people more "suggestible," in what way, in what dosage, how does this adequately explain people's belief in conspiracy theories? Where is the scientific literature to back it up? These are rhetorical questions, I don't want an answer because I know there's no suitable answer and I'm not interested in being asked more leading questions.

    And I will again point out that your time frames make zero sense and you haven't bothered to address it. The "dumbing down" of education, even by your own definition, doesn't coincide with the "rise" of stronger psychoactive drugs.

    "When it comes to re-evaluating democracy" is absolutely contentious because that's extremely nebulous statement, you haven't described what you mean and a lot of your supporting arguments seem quite reactionary and fascist adjacent. When you talk about "re-evaluating democracy" in response to recreational drug use, mental illness and the "dumbing" down of society, people will rightly assume you are proposing some sort of conservative and reactionary form of authoritarianism or, at worst, you are making an argument for eugenics.

    Leaving that aside, it should be re evaluated just because a white vote in dakota is worth more than a black vote in a urban area

    Sure, that has nothing to do with "dumbing down" of society, drug use or mental illness though.

    Look, I'm not trying to be a dick and I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but I just don't think your arguments are particularly coherent or engaging and they come off as fairly reactionary to me. I don't think it's worth it to get into this much more, especially since the mods removed this thread. I've said all I can say about it.

    • late90smullbowl [they/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Not trying to be a dick either here, frankly this post is either a comprehension fail or disingenuous. Of course there's an element of conjecture, the points in the OP were massively broad.

      Fundamentally, is there a point at which we re-evaluate democracy with consideration for modern factors which didn't exist in the past? It's glib, but one of the conditions for democracy is an educated citizenry. We don't have that imo.

      Would we consider re-evaluation when the entire republican party is objectively irrational qanon white supremacists, as an extreme example?

      I'm happy to go through your post point by point, if you're interested, because I think it's worth discussing. It's your perogative to dip out.

      • JackDecker [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        I’m happy to go through your post point by point, if you’re interested, because I think it’s worth discussing

        Please don't, it's really not worth discussing. There's a reason this post thread was removed by mods. Feel free to think I am disingenuous.

        • late90smullbowl [they/them]
          hexagon
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          edit-2
          4 years ago

          As you wish.

          I'm interested in your response to the core of the last post though:

          Fundamentally, is there a point at which we re-evaluate democracy with consideration for modern factors which didn’t exist in the past? It’s glib, but one of the conditions for democracy is an educated citizenry. We don’t have that imo.

          Would we consider re-evaluation (of democracy) when the entire republican party is objectively irrational qanon white supremacists, as an extreme example?

          • JackDecker [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            It’s glib, but one of the conditions for democracy is an educated citizenry.

            I reject this premise. I'm not particularly interested in answering a hypothetical based on something that you believe in. I don't think the problem is that people have been "dumbed down" and I do not support whatever "re-evaluting democracy" means that would attempt to correct something like that. It's really that simple.