Reds keep in nitrogen storage better than any other apple. Honeycrisp is notoriously biennially bearing, pest susceptible, and difficult to pack without damaging. Are you trying to feed the people, or are you more concerned with having the most pleasurable apple eating experience? Because they both look the same coming out the other end.
The recent cosmic crisp out of WSU is promising, but harvests so far haven't been large enough to see if they can keep like reds in the real world. In the last couple of decades most years only reds are available in August before new crop. Another development has been new varieties bred to fruit very early -first week of August early. There's a few of those, mostly licensed to individual growers through modern fruit intellectual property agreements. Early varieties reduce the need for long storage, but increase the risk of crop loss to late frosts and early spring moisture.
If you're trying to feed the people, why are you growing les pommes des arbors and not les pommes de terre?
This comment is really representative of a conservative trend in the communist movement. Marx was talking about ending the division of labor and making labor life's prime want. The russian revolutionaries used to talk about a country controlled by soviets.
But now a lot of folks seem to accept the cold war anti communist dichotomy between a capitalism of beautiful scarcity and a communism of dull sufficiency. This forgets the Venezuelan project to communize the economy. It forgets that the Soviet school system embraced dewian pedagogy and created a public school system unrivaled in its humanism. This trend don't seek an apple tree in every square, but plantations of efficent, bland apples.
Uhh major apple regions tend to be in places where the soil is too poor to grow potatoes. It's a thing you can do in places with harsh winters, rocky soil, and steep grades.
Sure. I'll discuss this with you further if you'd like, but I don't want to lose sight of the apples here.
Both apples and potatoes are excellent durable crops, but are best suited to different growing regions.
Within good apple growing regions, choice of variety should take many factors into account -things like resilience to present climate conditions, staggering harvest timing, maintaining genetic diversity, providing fruit for different uses (eating, cooking, juicing, fermenting, etc.), and good storage/shipping durability. Whether these factors are prioritized by individual growers in a market or by some central planning authority, I argue that durability should not be undervalued. Red delicious apples really are amazing in their rot resistance, and should be celebrated as such.
I am optimistic that in our lifetimes we will see new better tasting apple varieties eclipse the red delicious as a durable, long-storing staple fruit. We should not have to choose between variety and abundance, but we should also be realistic about our agricultural capabilities. In my estimation, capitalism is a huge hinderance to the development and widespread adoption of new apple varieties. The university breeding projects are often underfunded, and when they do produce promising scions/rootstocks, the legal right to grow and market them is restricted by unnecessary and counterproductive intellectual property claims. I dream of a communist future with greater apple abundance and variety for all people in every season of the year. Will you join me, comrade?
This is the kind of thinking I think we should often scaffold our thoughts with. I like this new framing, bringing forward the virtues of red delicious without downplaying the honeycrisp, and hoping for a beautiful symthesis
Reds keep in nitrogen storage better than any other apple. Honeycrisp is notoriously biennially bearing, pest susceptible, and difficult to pack without damaging. Are you trying to feed the people, or are you more concerned with having the most pleasurable apple eating experience? Because they both look the same coming out the other end.
I agree, but wouldn't a tasteless nutritional slurry be even better?
Algae paste would be even better.
As a white person that sounds too spicy for me
We might as well go straight to the human centipede.
Soylent gang, soylent gang
I guarantee there are other apple varieties that are more suitable for storage.
The recent cosmic crisp out of WSU is promising, but harvests so far haven't been large enough to see if they can keep like reds in the real world. In the last couple of decades most years only reds are available in August before new crop. Another development has been new varieties bred to fruit very early -first week of August early. There's a few of those, mostly licensed to individual growers through modern fruit intellectual property agreements. Early varieties reduce the need for long storage, but increase the risk of crop loss to late frosts and early spring moisture.
There must be some sort of happy medium between the two extremes, right?
Fujis? Galas? Something else?
Edit: Fuck, I'm an apple centrist.
If you're trying to feed the people, why are you growing les pommes des arbors and not les pommes de terre?
This comment is really representative of a conservative trend in the communist movement. Marx was talking about ending the division of labor and making labor life's prime want. The russian revolutionaries used to talk about a country controlled by soviets.
But now a lot of folks seem to accept the cold war anti communist dichotomy between a capitalism of beautiful scarcity and a communism of dull sufficiency. This forgets the Venezuelan project to communize the economy. It forgets that the Soviet school system embraced dewian pedagogy and created a public school system unrivaled in its humanism. This trend don't seek an apple tree in every square, but plantations of efficent, bland apples.
Uhh major apple regions tend to be in places where the soil is too poor to grow potatoes. It's a thing you can do in places with harsh winters, rocky soil, and steep grades.
Do you have any thoughts about the substance of my comment?
Sure. I'll discuss this with you further if you'd like, but I don't want to lose sight of the apples here.
Both apples and potatoes are excellent durable crops, but are best suited to different growing regions.
Within good apple growing regions, choice of variety should take many factors into account -things like resilience to present climate conditions, staggering harvest timing, maintaining genetic diversity, providing fruit for different uses (eating, cooking, juicing, fermenting, etc.), and good storage/shipping durability. Whether these factors are prioritized by individual growers in a market or by some central planning authority, I argue that durability should not be undervalued. Red delicious apples really are amazing in their rot resistance, and should be celebrated as such.
I am optimistic that in our lifetimes we will see new better tasting apple varieties eclipse the red delicious as a durable, long-storing staple fruit. We should not have to choose between variety and abundance, but we should also be realistic about our agricultural capabilities. In my estimation, capitalism is a huge hinderance to the development and widespread adoption of new apple varieties. The university breeding projects are often underfunded, and when they do produce promising scions/rootstocks, the legal right to grow and market them is restricted by unnecessary and counterproductive intellectual property claims. I dream of a communist future with greater apple abundance and variety for all people in every season of the year. Will you join me, comrade?
This is the kind of thinking I think we should often scaffold our thoughts with. I like this new framing, bringing forward the virtues of red delicious without downplaying the honeycrisp, and hoping for a beautiful symthesis