first off, i nominate this for the greatest image of 2021: https://twitter.com/reezels/status/1351732376632586240

TLDR: Warren-voting blue checkmark accounts are mad about people doing Marxist science and not simply saying “qanon are evil because of their essential nature”. These smarmy anti-dirtbags did cultural appropriation of comrade dril’s tweets to mock the idea of looking at how our environment shapes our ideology and worldviews. Libs who think covid denial is evil are doing capitalist denial by obscuring the material base of alienation which generated the mental superstructure which qanon parrots.

https://twitter.com/dbessner/status/1351705165485641730

This guy from Dissent ("if I was your editor" if I was your Red Guard, your cringe ass nerd account would be deleted) agrees with the Warren libs that historical materialism is not worth talking about. Very weird to see someone reduce their cognitive dissonance by getting aggro and shrieking that something "doesn't matter!!!" and "isn't important!!!".

Perhaps these 2 Woke 2 Empathy radlibs want to obscure the material effects of capitalism because they are privileged PMC class traitors? In any case, they're actually in the same category as Qanon: they lack a scientific explanation of political economic history. Which is why they desperately need to reaffirm their idealistic worldview by demanding certain groups of others to suffer because they’re "bad people" (racists, conspiracy theorists, Amber):

https://twitter.com/AlbertTappman/status/1351682508484702210

Idealists believe cultural issues matter more than our material struggle to survive under late capitalism. Marxism is a “bad analysis” because it doesn’t simply categorize people with childish superhero movie labels.

https://twitter.com/dbessner/status/1351692059812352001

These progressive Warren voters need to differentiate themselves from "evil unscientific fascists" because they believe themselves to be good people (their Reaganite politics are, like qanon, claiming to be "saving the children" despite destroying the American family unit for profit). Apparently you’re antifa if you never say such "embarrassing" things like talking about Jeffrey Epstein's friends and bourgeois business partners. Talking about the endemic sexual abuse in the ruling class is apparently a tenet of fascism to these anti-dirtbags. That's why Obama let his daughter intern with that Hollywood rapist, it would be impolite and rude not too!

  • ProfessionalSlacker
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    3 years ago

    This article is hot garbage. She cherry picks accounts of people there to make Qanon look more diverse than it is and suggests that there's a "conspicuous absence of middle class professionals" so they can push this narrative that Qanon is a group of disaffected people acting out of desperation rather than petite-bourgeois protecting their class interests from the working class demanding more. You can't just wave your hands and say "material analysis" when she's purposefully misconstruing what the motivations of these people are.

    • RowPin [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      e: It's a RowPin post, you knew it would be overly long.

      Notably, it also ignores the content of QAnon concerns, which I'll separate in to bullet points for readability:

      • General alienation. This is common to all classes, it's simply to the bourgeoisie's benefit (who actually do also suffer from estrangement).

      • Feelings of powerlessness. The middle-class is a legitimately powerless class, as it cannot organize itself like the proletariat can (which tracks with the 'fuzziness' of the middle-class, being bordered by the proles/big-boug). It can only entreat the proletariat to act on its behalf with policies that artificially prop itself up (sometimes aided by the big-boug to provide a bulwark between itself & the working-class; think of how Democratic politicians divert unions), or beg the big-boug for mercy. Moreover, every group of lunatics feels powerless; the liberal in the OP is correct on this.

      • Former voters complaining "democracy has failed." Most non-voters are proletarian; what does that tell you?

      • Anti-Semitism. For a very rudimentary analysis, early Zionist Theodor Herzl noted that capitalist forms of anti-Semitism are rooted in how the Jewish people, once they left their ghettos, came in to direct competition with the other middle-class strata. (Along with pre-existing forms of pre-capitalist anti-Semitism.) This also tracks with modern historical analysis of fascism's base with the middle-class, organized by the big-boug.

      • That QAnon primarily began as a movement of small business owners railing against Big Tech & finance capital.

      • Loneliness: a general human condition.

      • Its current multi-classness; which is a useless demarcation as all movements involve some mingling of classes, it simply matters who is the driving force of it. Moreover, that sections of the proletariat demand something does not make it communist. If they can be "gotten", then the advancement & victories of other sections of the class will suffice to bring them in and not have to involve proselytizing to them in their own insane communities.

      All of this isn't even getting in to whether it's worth analyzing as a phenomenon; I don't know if anybody cared about the "class character" of Satanic Panic Evangelicals, or if QAnon radically differs from that in a way we should care beyond surface cultural analysis. The article also implies that somehow a fundamentally religious movement cannot also be political, despite the anti-abortion movement.

      However, the actual article itself has a passage where they basically say "hey, but they're right about Epstein". It's a neat rhetorical trick for them to go from the actual QAnon "Satanic-worshipping Democrats eat tens & thousands of children delivered by Jeffrey Epstein" to "don't we ALL feel a little powerless sometimes? =)". Why they would do this is because presumably the authors are the same type of people who listen to TrueAnon; that is, they essentially agree Democrats are children-devouring pedophiles, they just wish that troublesome support of Trump was out of the way.

      (As a first aside, to apply the logic of QAnon "having legitimate concerns" about actually-existing elite pedophile cabals, would warrant an article about how TERFs are merely a response to transgender women raping & beating cisgender women -- the abhorrence of which should be obvious.)

      (As a second aside, why an elite pedophile cabal would wait until Epstein is jailed to kill him, and that his suicide is somehow evidence of foil play in a nation where the prison suicide rate is 6x the average & the pedophile suicide rate 180x the average, and this cabal conveniently let his victims live & continue to speak out, is, well -- dontcha see that it's what they want you to think?

      It's WMD-logic - the evidence of absence means there must be something deeper going on! To say nothing of the tenousness of looking over names on a flight log as evidence of all listed as being pedophiles, or how clear it is most do not care about sex-trafficking & merely wish to have the oldest, easiest cudgel with which to beat their political opponents.)

      Lastly, from the article:

      Socialists have some big advantages over an anonymous 4chan account; not only do we have explanations and a political program that addresses QAnon-ers’ legitimate concerns, but we also have reality and the honesty and humility to admit that, while we don’t have all the answers, we aspire to build a system that is democratic and just, that is honest, and that cultivates the better angels of our nature, so that our world, and indeed humanity itself, can become Good.

      Justice, Democracy, Truth, Honesty, Better Angels Of Our Nature. Could've been the inauguration speech. I'm reminded of that amusing Marx quote where he had to deal with people like this writing out a programme, and said to Engels: "Fortunately, I had these words placed in passages where they could do no harm."

    • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Idk, the QAA guys have been showing a lot of people involved with Q throughout their podcast, and it seems that it definitely is a diverse crowd. As opposed to the Trump crowd, of whom Qanon is just a part for whom you can definitely make the argument are very much petit-bougie