Thread: https://lemmy.ml/post/5937514

And it's not even the only nazi apologia in the thread. In fact, as i write this, there's mainly nazi apologia there.

EDIT: some worst posts including the one about Natives got purged by a mod.

  • DoxxableSilo [none/use name]
    ·
    1 year ago

    As far as I've ever read, not even the ones trying to integrate with lmayo practiced perpetual, heritable, racialized chattel slavery

    Presumably individuals integrating fully into white society did, but in any indigenous group I've read about remaining separate and holding slaves, slaves had far and away more rights than did black slaves in the US

    • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
      ·
      1 year ago

      Pretty much. You might be enslaved but it would be closer to indentured servitude with later release or assimilation. The idea of inherited status as a slave? There's pretty much no record of it. Chattel slavery really only works if you're getting regular boatloads of more Africans to replace the ones that escape or die because of appalling treatment.

    • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
      ·
      1 year ago

      I'm not sure if I would want to take this at value, but what particular source says that pre-colonial slaves had more rights than post-colonial Black ones anyways.... it feels like the argument that Atlantic slave trade was less worse, compared to the Arab one....

      • DoxxableSilo [none/use name]
        ·
        1 year ago

        I'm talking about ones that existed alongside the pre-civil war South, before they were driven out. It comes up as context in works that discuss a black slave fleeing to a nation where they're also a slave, but it's been a while since I read about that

        That said, it's usually a safe bet that a system is better than or equal to black slavery in the US, because that perpetual, heritable, racialized chattel slavery is virtually an endpoint for the logic of slavery. Not all forms of slavery involve the following:

        • Permanent slave status
        • Slaves transferable and heritable as property
        • Slave status for all descendents in perpetuity
        • If not "owned", still designated as a slave by skin tone, to be captured and auctioned
        • No family rights - married couples, parents, children all sold apart
        • No rights at all, can be tortured or killed by owner

        Most prominent systems of slavery haven't involved many or any of those points, but ours usee them all. You can even contrast this system with a more precedented one in the same country, for Irish sharecroppers specifically