The insulation is the free housing, the free education, the free healthcare, the glorified gated communities that are built to contain and isolate them, "being shot at" and "eating military conditions" just wtf do you think American soldiers are doing at any given moment, you have a pretty bizarre view of the military, are you American?
let’s take a security guard at like, a small downtown office.
Cops aren't working class either, but MOST private sector security guards would be considered a maintenance role, overseeing products or the means of production in the function of a glorified alarm system, with state enforcement of property rights being left to the actual cops, an antagonistic element of the working class (since it's basically just snitching as a job) but still working class, and what type of paid laborers aren't engaged in economic output of one form or another, you like to play with words in a pretty ass backwards way but again this isn't rocket science
Volunteer soldiers who aren't discharged by the state aren't working class, pretty simple stuff
Sure there are incentives and benefits to joining the military. Same for taking a lot of corporate jobs.
But NONE of those benefits compare to the guarantees of the capitalist class. And that's what we're fucking talking about. Many vets live in poverty, like the rest of us - and they are at much higher risks for many health and psychological risks. Do military vets live in a class of luxury above the rest of us? NO. There is no golden parachute for the soldiers and their families, cast to the side for the sake of American hegemony.
Yeah I mean, I'm American, but what the fuck does that matter? Like, are you proud? What kind of non sequitur is this? And like other counties don't have militaries in service of American hegemony?
You initially raised an interesting question, regarding economic output vs impact, but you followed up with a word soup.
To start with: security guards are not snitches. Other fucking employees, also of the working class, often snitch in act of class betrayal. But that makes them no less the working class.
Security guards protect against petty theft and espionage. Not altogether different than the role taken out by much of the military.
Security guards provide the "labor value" of security, which can be empirically and financially measured.
Is that not an economic product of their labor? How does that differ from the Coast Guard? A navy vessel?
My assertion: the military provides economic output in both the form of "security" of assets and through obtaining assets (this is probably always murdery). This is the central force and output that drives the military industrial complex. This is a means of production.
Soldiers sell their time for compensation, the same as the rest of us in the working class. Their relation to the means of production, security and (murdery) asset procurement, is not one of ownership. They do not own the instruments of their (sometimes murdery) toil, e.g. Tanks, drones, guns, etc.
The insulation is the free housing, the free education, the free healthcare, the glorified gated communities that are built to contain and isolate them, "being shot at" and "eating military conditions" just wtf do you think American soldiers are doing at any given moment, you have a pretty bizarre view of the military, are you American?
Cops aren't working class either, but MOST private sector security guards would be considered a maintenance role, overseeing products or the means of production in the function of a glorified alarm system, with state enforcement of property rights being left to the actual cops, an antagonistic element of the working class (since it's basically just snitching as a job) but still working class, and what type of paid laborers aren't engaged in economic output of one form or another, you like to play with words in a pretty ass backwards way but again this isn't rocket science
Volunteer soldiers who aren't discharged by the state aren't working class, pretty simple stuff
Sure there are incentives and benefits to joining the military. Same for taking a lot of corporate jobs.
But NONE of those benefits compare to the guarantees of the capitalist class. And that's what we're fucking talking about. Many vets live in poverty, like the rest of us - and they are at much higher risks for many health and psychological risks. Do military vets live in a class of luxury above the rest of us? NO. There is no golden parachute for the soldiers and their families, cast to the side for the sake of American hegemony.
Yeah I mean, I'm American, but what the fuck does that matter? Like, are you proud? What kind of non sequitur is this? And like other counties don't have militaries in service of American hegemony?
You initially raised an interesting question, regarding economic output vs impact, but you followed up with a word soup.
To start with: security guards are not snitches. Other fucking employees, also of the working class, often snitch in act of class betrayal. But that makes them no less the working class.
Security guards protect against petty theft and espionage. Not altogether different than the role taken out by much of the military.
Security guards provide the "labor value" of security, which can be empirically and financially measured.
Is that not an economic product of their labor? How does that differ from the Coast Guard? A navy vessel?
My assertion: the military provides economic output in both the form of "security" of assets and through obtaining assets (this is probably always murdery). This is the central force and output that drives the military industrial complex. This is a means of production.
Soldiers sell their time for compensation, the same as the rest of us in the working class. Their relation to the means of production, security and (murdery) asset procurement, is not one of ownership. They do not own the instruments of their (sometimes murdery) toil, e.g. Tanks, drones, guns, etc.