this is just how I use the internet in our dystopian panopticon hell world. I literally don't go online without TOR or at least a commercial proxy nowadays.
but being told im unwelcome in a place is a bigger deal to me than a new name. it creates a kind of opposition to a place. even if i reengage it's different, with more hostility, and a lot less respect for the people there.
I definitely get that sentiment. Ideally, I think bans should be accompanied by a "you got bounced, but you're welcome to make a new account and come back in" message. We need to fight the feeling you're describing while maintaining some way to frustrate trolls/wreckers/incorrigibles.
yeah but after a while its just kind of.. everywhere. it becomes a default in places that aren't explicitly inclusive, and those include people whose inclusion that excludes me.
My understanding is that we can't really ban people permanently. We don't do IP bans (which can be circumvented anyways), so as long as a user doesn't (1) keep doing bannable stuff or (2) make it apparent that they're a banned user, they can easily get back in.
So why not do warnings, temp bans, etc.? It adds a whole layer of administrative work for the mods and a bunch more opportunities for people to dispute how they've been treated. A system that creates a bunch of work isn't a great one, and we want to have a way to push back on shitty behavior without causing tons of "I've been treated so unfairly!" drama. Making bans less of a big deal would accomplish both, and (because we can't perma ban people anyway) it would have the same effect on more persistent assholes.
this is just how I use the internet in our dystopian panopticon hell world. I literally don't go online without TOR or at least a commercial proxy nowadays.
but being told im unwelcome in a place is a bigger deal to me than a new name. it creates a kind of opposition to a place. even if i reengage it's different, with more hostility, and a lot less respect for the people there.
I definitely get that sentiment. Ideally, I think bans should be accompanied by a "you got bounced, but you're welcome to make a new account and come back in" message. We need to fight the feeling you're describing while maintaining some way to frustrate trolls/wreckers/incorrigibles.
yeah but after a while its just kind of.. everywhere. it becomes a default in places that aren't explicitly inclusive, and those include people whose inclusion that excludes me.
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My understanding is that we can't really ban people permanently. We don't do IP bans (which can be circumvented anyways), so as long as a user doesn't (1) keep doing bannable stuff or (2) make it apparent that they're a banned user, they can easily get back in.
So why not do warnings, temp bans, etc.? It adds a whole layer of administrative work for the mods and a bunch more opportunities for people to dispute how they've been treated. A system that creates a bunch of work isn't a great one, and we want to have a way to push back on shitty behavior without causing tons of "I've been treated so unfairly!" drama. Making bans less of a big deal would accomplish both, and (because we can't perma ban people anyway) it would have the same effect on more persistent assholes.