Not any worse than implying that every Gazan huddled in dark places praying for their lives under constant Israeli bombardment all support the murder of other people as payback
You know, I'm 99% there with the message we're going with here. I think having a rave outside an open air prison is insane and deserving of scorn, and that the people who died there only had themselves to blame.
That said, I'm going to call bullshit on "revenge is good". Idk, I've been the "retributive justice is poison" guy on here for awhile, and made many posts here about it that have been mostly well received. So I'm going to put my foot down on actively celebrating revenge. Understanding the history and circumstances that cause it? Yes. Blaming Israel/the settlers for it and not Hamas? Yes. Continuing to support the Palestinian cause no matter what excesses take place? Absolutely yes.
"Revenge is good" though? No. Its a regrettable reality. People die in a revolution. Some people are going to be angry enough to go beyond what is purely pragmatically necessary. Its a thing thats going to happen no matter what we do, and we go on supporting the cause anyway. Revolutions are never clean. We accept and understand that, we don't celebrate it.
I'm sorry, but when I see posts like this I get worried. I do not like the idea of fighting a revolution alongside people who are just looking to kill people for revenge. Your motive should be making a better world. We kill because we have to, not because we want to.
I think some people on here read "We make no excuses for the terror" and saw it as license for bloodthirst. But to me, what Marx meant wasn't that we actively revel in commuting acts of terror, its that we recognize the necessity of it and do it because we have to.
You're reminding me of a Mao quote I halfway remember, something about not taking joy in the destruction and violence of a revolution, but recognizing that it's dirty but necessary. Someone smarter than me could probably fill in the blanks, but I agree with your post.
Revenge-driven actions have not historically worked out for the people taking their revenue in the long run for eitherthem nor the cause. I'm with the Palestinian diplomats and journalists putting the violence in context without saying its good.
Not any worse than implying that every Gazan huddled in dark places praying for their lives under constant Israeli bombardment all support the murder of other people as payback
If I was being bombed by settlers, I would want them dead. Do not act like this is a purity fetish competition. Revenge is good.
You know, I'm 99% there with the message we're going with here. I think having a rave outside an open air prison is insane and deserving of scorn, and that the people who died there only had themselves to blame.
That said, I'm going to call bullshit on "revenge is good". Idk, I've been the "retributive justice is poison" guy on here for awhile, and made many posts here about it that have been mostly well received. So I'm going to put my foot down on actively celebrating revenge. Understanding the history and circumstances that cause it? Yes. Blaming Israel/the settlers for it and not Hamas? Yes. Continuing to support the Palestinian cause no matter what excesses take place? Absolutely yes.
"Revenge is good" though? No. Its a regrettable reality. People die in a revolution. Some people are going to be angry enough to go beyond what is purely pragmatically necessary. Its a thing thats going to happen no matter what we do, and we go on supporting the cause anyway. Revolutions are never clean. We accept and understand that, we don't celebrate it.
I'm sorry, but when I see posts like this I get worried. I do not like the idea of fighting a revolution alongside people who are just looking to kill people for revenge. Your motive should be making a better world. We kill because we have to, not because we want to.
I think some people on here read "We make no excuses for the terror" and saw it as license for bloodthirst. But to me, what Marx meant wasn't that we actively revel in commuting acts of terror, its that we recognize the necessity of it and do it because we have to.
You're reminding me of a Mao quote I halfway remember, something about not taking joy in the destruction and violence of a revolution, but recognizing that it's dirty but necessary. Someone smarter than me could probably fill in the blanks, but I agree with your post.
Mao agreeing with me is cool I'm going to tell my girlfriend.
Mao is famously quoted as saying "Hexbear user Autismdragon is cool, and fun to hang out with". Frankly, this is what inspired me to read more theory.
I'm not as cool as Mao but I'm with you too.
Revenge-driven actions have not historically worked out for the people taking their revenue in the long run for eitherthem nor the cause. I'm with the Palestinian diplomats and journalists putting the violence in context without saying its good.
fair enough perhaps