“Violating international law” is pretty sterile/soft verbiage for fucking war crimes.
He denounced specific parts of the attack. The section of international law that explicitly allows violent resistance to a military occupation or blockade doesn't exempt the resistors from the rest of international law. The IDF/Israel and Hamas have the same obligations under international law(s).
serious question - if Jews in a ghetto during WW2 got together some weapons, revolted, left the ghetto and killed a bunch of German civilians partying right outside the ghetto, would you call it "genocidal" and "terrorism" and say "yes, while Nazi Germany is bad, so are these Jews who committed terrorism"?
it doesn't suck for you to take the high road, you're sitting in the west living a comfortable life, it's super easy for you to 'condemn' both sides and go on with your day. what are Gazans supposed to do? they're living in hell on earth, and the entire world had turned their backs on them.
peacefully protest? they've tried that
try to get the word out about how bad their situation is? they've tried that
what should they have done instead? just do nothing and let Israel keep building settlements and murdering them and commit a slow genocide? I can't blame them for violently struggling in whatever means possible. even under international law, occupied populations have the right to engage in armed struggle. it sucks that it came to this, but Israel is responsible for every death that happens because they want to commit genocide against the native population rather than peacefully coexist.
"And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard."
-Also MLK
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
-MLK
Yes comparable.
Saying that Palestinian resistance is only legitimate if it meets the standard of perfect moral purity is exactly saying they should wait around and get genocided.
And you know what? They are getting genocided, right now, at this moment, Isreal is carrying out a campaign of extermination that will make October 2023 a subject of history books for centuries to come, and the hill you've chosen to die on is that the Palestinians are also imperfect.
Try some reading comprehension on for size btw.
Try talking like a normal person and not a smugness overdosing reddit shithead.
I say that occupied peoples absolutely have the right to struggle against their oppressor, just not the right to murder civilians indiscriminately.
No occupied person cares what you say they're allowed to do, you privileged asshole. No resistance in history has ever risen to your standard anyway.
Yes they are absolutely going to be wiped out in response to the horrific recent actions of Hamas.
And there it is; the genocide justification we all knew was coming.
The Jews would have been justified in killing every German they could get their hands on if it could help stop the Holocaust.
A genocidal society has no right to claim the mercy of a civilian/soldier distinction. They do not recognize it themselves.
It is a horrible tragedy on a personal level. No one person has any power over the situation they find themselves in, but that is the brutal logic of war. Societies will feel less safe in engaging in targeting civilians if their own are subject to retaliation when they do so.
Violence against Germany literally ended the Holocaust so you are just a clown.
I guess you would have sent thoughts and prayers to the extermination camps.
Look at pictures of Germany after the war and tell me it wasn’t violence against Germany. Are you fucking kidding me? Over 500k German civilians died in the bombing raids.
“It was just collateral damage” - the words of a fucking coward who refuse to admit what they’ve done
It sucks they died but ending the Holocaust and Nazi Germany was a moral necessity.
This is so absurdly nitpicky I'm not sure what to say. The bombings of Germany DEFINITELY damaged their industry, which helped end the war.
Are you really implying that no innocent civilians were butchered by the ground invasion of Europe? (Also, hilariously, you left out that Japan was literally defeated without a ground invasion of Japan. Same war, buddy.)
You just seem like you can't accept wars mean violence against a people, not a military/government. It's a child's propaganda understanding of warfare that you have.
Oh, is leveling Dresden with incindiary bombs targeting "the german government?" Is nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki "targeting the japanese army?"
Sitting on the side lines whining about "both sides bad!" during the literal Holocaust is not "taking the high road." It's being an unprincipled coward.
And MLK had pretty scathing words for people like you.
That's just "both sides bad."
The fact that you can't tell the difference tells me a lot.
And the fact that you can't tell the difference tells me even more.
I'd also argue that it shows you to be the unprincipled one.
It's almost like this little thing called nuance exists.
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Oh my fucking God, go back to reddit, please!
I'll just keep winning arguments
Yeah that's what's important here.
Fucking ghoul.
Yeah I have no idea how these people don't get it. Are the Palestinians expected to just accept having their calories counted and reduced, their water limited, and their electricity shut off? Like what sort of peace do you think is possible?
both sides
Comrade Amogus flags those paired words as extra sus whenever they are found!
Liberals are always dealing in the abstract. “Israel must stop oppressing Palestinians”
Ok who is going to make them? Then when the Palestinians stand up for themselves “this violence is abhorrent and must end immediately”
Ok how does it end? It’s like they have no concept of WHY people do things.
He'll bear witness to the suffering of Palestine while voting to give the zionist entity more cluster munitions.
he says WHAT? didn't he say the opposite like 1 day ago?
I mean, good, but
"Both sides should just stop being mean to each other" is in this case the blandest, most useless take you could possibly have. It does nothing for nobody, it's just saying something for the sake of saying it.
What are his positions on how to resolve this thing? What should the Palestinians get in his opinion?
Ok, cool, but that's literally just saying "I don't like bad thing happening". What does he want to do to make the bad thing stop?
Unlimited violence upon genocidal settler colonists, we don't need to make excuses
Palestinian resistance: "absolutely condemn", "horrifying attack", "no justification", "it must end now"
Zionists doing Nazi shit in Gaza: "a war crime"
Fuck off you old piece of shit
Akin to the Warsaw uprising. People facing extermination rising up hoping to avert ultimate doom at the hands of uncaring monsters.
They knew how outmatched they were, but the alternative is submitting to genocide. Think about the desperation required to take this nearly hopeless fight. The sheer suffering.
I would describe the actions of the Palestinians as, hmm, let me just do a stream of conscious word association here:
based heroic justified correct good successful hopeful kickass revolution freedom
So glad zionists don't control the narrative this time.
It seems like the internet is doing it's job, for once.
They do sadly. The media has repeated Israeli lies again and again even when provided with no proof of their claims. The whole baby beheading thing got spread so much that Joe Biden ended up calling it out and later clarified that they don't have proof as well.
And Reddit has been banning pro Palestine subs and users from yesterday.
Reddit is far more anti-zionist than any other social media, for example.
me when i lie on the internet
Oh and by the way,
Go fuck yourself Bernie. You bowed to this. You endorsed this. You imperialist piece of shit.
At least Jezza stood for principles and went down for them.
But I also know after 9/11 I wouldn’t have given a shit if we did genocide an entire group if they were responsible.
Wtf.
You assholes DID do that, 3 million dead and millions more refugees.
If the people did 9/11 were Indigenous Americans living in an open air prison beside New York city, facing regular bombings, food shortages, lack of clean water and electricity and a constant encroachment upon their land, yeah little sympathy when they kill a couple settlers for once.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/us/native-lives-matter/index.html
I mean...
I also know after 9/11 I wouldn’t have given a shit if we did genocide an entire group if they were responsible
liberals just can't stop telling on themselves
That is hilarious.
You keep wearing the mask, I'll keep pointing at your mask.
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I also know after 9/11 I wouldn’t have given a shit if we did genocide an entire group if they were responsible.
you have hitler living inside of you
That is hilarious.
You keep wearing the mask, I'll keep pointing at your mask.
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I also know after 9/11 I wouldn’t have given a shit if we did genocide an entire group if they were responsible.
@ in username
every time.
fuck right off, you piece of shit.
People like you absolutely cannot be allowed anywhere near the levers of power in any society.
Your mindset is responsible for so much preventable suffering and you think it's universal for some reason.
That deeply saddens me how warped your perception of reality must be.
Could you tell us what sort of power you've been entrusted with?
The NAFO lanyard liberals are such bloodsoaked clowns that I actually can believe they'd hire and put trust into a smirking tryhard edgelord like @RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip .
You guys are great.
Keep wearing that mask and I'll keep pointing at your mask.
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So you can try and cancel me?
Unprompted, you started whining about "cancel culture." You're showing your whole ass here.
Do you think I am like you?
We would be bloodthirsty neoliberals, congratulating ourselves on our maturity while expecting praise and awe for our super secret hush hush colonial adventurism jobs if we were like you.
I’m an asshole.
No shit. Unlike what le ironic internet communities otherwise believe, saying you are an asshole doesn't give you points for internet bravery. You're an asshole and others here already know and see that.
To piss off little shit dicks such as yourself. If you do not like that, too Fucking bad.
I'm convinced you're outright LARPing your favorite Prestige TV character(s) with lines like that.
You're getting that mad about my replies, and you keep replying.
The difference here is you claim to have a super secret ultra shadow black ops job like in your favorite Prestige TV shows and video games, and if you do and I actually can believe they'd hire someone like you (because they are bloodthirsty clowns), the longer you're here, the less you're doing your actual job.
So I'll be here a while. Replying to you. Watching you claim how "hilarious" everything is while your whole ass is showing and you're getting more and more mad that the people you hate on the internet aren't respecting you or holding you in awe.
Either you're lying about your bloodsoaked colonialist hatchetman job, or you're not. In the latter case, the longer you're replying here, desperately seeking validation, the less you're doing your bloodsoaked colonialist hatchetman job. So that's good.
You poor thing. Big tough Vincent AdultMan wants respeeeeeect.
It's a shame he got banned. I wanted to know if he was a CIA agent or a Navy Seal.
You type impressively fast one-handed while congratulating yourself, that's for sure.
I also know after 9/11 I wouldn’t have given a shit if we did genocide an entire group if they were responsible.
I was in my early 20s. I remember that day well. I was caught up in the fear and frenzy of everyone around me as an impressionable young liberal... and I still didn't wish genocide on anyone.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Biologically, I'm sure that changed. Otherwise, not so much. I think the "adult in the room" emotionally peaked there before being entrusted with the keys to power and being the adult in the room making the hard decisions and getting shit done.
Did uh
I don't think this is going to be a pleasant read if you're already starting with a Reddit-tier opener like that.
I read the rest. You're not making a very good case for speaking for everyone, then or now, when you aren't just discrediting my own lived experience being barely older than you were at the same time but also posting your rage filled nonsense in the other reply chain.
I was waiting for you to post what I said broken into parts where you respond to everything separately.
First off you outed yourself. Hilarious. Second of all. Oh nevermind there isn’t a second part.
Lol.
Being a condescending asshole while trying to speak for an entire population about how wishing for mass murder was cool and good actually instead of at the least learning something from that instead of trying to rationalize it away is apparently beyond you.
And we spent it bickering and smoking cigarettes. Sick.
I'm starting to doubt if you're even able to comprehend that other people exist with different perspectives and outlooks than you do. Solipsism definitely fits the arrogance you've presented in your replies so far.
I appreciate that you said something else that time except "I am actually laughing now I promise I am the adult in the room respect meeeeeee" again.
You have such an important bloodsoaked neoliberal colonial job that you're replying to each of those replies. Maybe if it means you're too distracted to drone strike another hospital for a few more hours, I'm pleased to keep it up.
By all means, keep telling us about your Vincent AdultMan tough guy colonialism job.
If you're going to give internet tough guy speeches, at least wear matching footwear so you don't trip over your own passive aggressive sarcastic putdowns. The two flavors of internet tryhard don't mix well.
I certainly hope these are confirmed terrorist targets but there’s just a whole lot of them and I suspect many of them have civilians inside.
find everyone who upvoted this and ban them too. and yes, i dont believe in free speech. eat shit.
We would have, and we'd be disgusting scum for doing so. We DID do so. And are.
Are you actually fucking trying to excuse this shit? Thats reprehensible
ArE wE ThE BAddiES?!?!??!?!?
That’s an issue with your reading comprehension not my morality.
I also know after 9/11 I wouldn’t have given a shit if we did genocide an entire group if they were responsible.
No, the problem is with your cryptofascist ideology. You're so immersed in it that you think it's universally applicable. It isn't.and it took us years to collectively calm ourselves
It took you years of consuming treats and being soothed to stop craving genocide. You do not speak for me or anyone else here.
Again, you’re trying to shadow box with a boogey man that doesn’t exist.
Smug liberals try to disagree with people without ableistic insults challenge. Difficulty level: "you're trying to shadow box with a boogey man that doesn't exist."
Also, if you're going to say cryptofascist shit about how you craved genocide and also believed that everyone craved genocide just like you did, therefore those cravings were cool and good and somehow justified, just fuck off with that.
I’m just sitting here watching you write about how you’re a dumbass. Cool I guess.
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You know I spent ten years wasting my time clowning on trolls on Reddit.
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You were that troll, genius, and you never stopped.
I was waiting for you to post
So? You didn't do anything different or exceptional here. You've done nothing off-script yet and calling out me pointing out your shitty takes doesn't make your takes any less shitty.
Hilarious. Lol.
You're so redundant and pretentious that I may as well post this again because that's all you're doing and this is all you deserve.
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no youre just a piece of shit, maybe you can't write coherently with your 14 year old brain.
You know the US does have groups of people cordoned off in New Mexico? We have similar situations all over the US. They're called Indian Reservations and we did regularly massacre the people that lived there (Wounded Knee being the most famous example).
But at least by 1924 we gave Native Americans citizenship and therefore the right of free movement. It only took about 150 years but they at least got basic rights eventually, even if the discrimination and violence continues.
Israel can't even meet the standards of decency that America, a continuously not-decent country figured out for itself before Israel even existed.
why are so many users who come here through federation so fucking stupid?
"I supported genocidal rage, tried to psychologize and implicitly justify other ways to genocide, gladly accept and repeat the racist language of double standards that allows Westerners to pretend they don't already support apartheid and genocide, but don't you dare call me a Nazi."
And now @RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip claims to have a job involving enjoying atrocities. Totally not craving genocide like when he was 14. Not anymore. Now so much more cool calm and collected like in his favorite Prestige TV shows and video games.
This is a horrible take.
I'm only allowing it to stay up because it'll give others an eye opener of what Israel supporters are really like.
I know we are currently in the ___ phase but where is the line drawn? Does this ___ justify genocide? Im not inclined to believe so.
The line is genocide, if nothing else. The blanks don't matter. Your position on genocide should be 110% against it, the extra 10% (ideally more) being proactive measures to fight fascism to ensure genocide never happens again in history.
Hey Bernie, you used to be cool, but it's time for your dues as well.
Maybe he was literally sent loads of
in his e-mails too, lmao
purge them all
