Clean energy is basically only nuclear, which is laughably unclean if you think about it for five seconds. Maybe geothermal is clean. Solar might be clean if it's done locally in the regions that produce those minerals, but I doubt it.

    • jabrd [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8&feature=youtu.be

      A real doomer lecture pretty much reaffirming your first point that energy return on investment always takes on boom and bust cycles with the growth of civilizations. The more you grow the more energy you need invested in maintaining that energy production and eventually the ROI crashes out and the civilization collapses. Profit is falling and so is our ROI on fossil fuels. No way around that and clean energy sources can't produce the same original ROI that fossil fuels produced so even with their implementation there would still be a major crash as civilization needs to retract to fit that lower energy production ceiling

    • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      There is a difference between "extraction" as it currently exists and trade in the purist sense, which allows for the beneficial sharing of resources for all people.

        • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I do agree with this, in whatever form it comes in, the waste and excess of the global north must be fixed. I mostly take umbrage with the idea that "The entire concept of civilization is inherently unsustainable," since the system that has created this is not civilization, it is capitalism, mercanitlism, imperialism etc. Civilization does not need to be exploitative.