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  • throwaway [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    well yes, bitcoin does have flaws in its design that not only result in high fees, low throughput etc, but comparing it to visa is unfair, because visa "transactions" are analogous to simply changing two numbers in a spreadsheet, while bitcoin is obviously trying to do this in a secure and decentralized way

    it does use a lot of energy, but imo it's a fair price to pay for the opportunity for countries to, say, evade certain sanctions and work around the dominance of the US dollar and all the accompanying negative consequences, but there are so many inefficiencies in the way human society works that provide literally no value and use vastly more energy, that i would say that bitcoin is worth it

    if bitcoin successfully paves the way for the workarounds around the current dominant financial system, governments and users can and likely will adopt coins with a more fair and less energy wasteful PoW or switch to coins that use PoS

    • bark [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Visa does it in a secure and centralized way.

      Your placing value in decentralization. Why? Because you've deluded yourself into thinking that this will somehow trigger revolution?

      • throwaway [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Visa does it in a secure and centralized way.

        visa uses a proprietary protocol, and we have no idea what's going on in reality, security through obscurity has been shown times and times again to be shit

        Your placing value in decentralization. Why? Because you’ve deluded yourself into thinking that this will somehow trigger revolution?

        no, as i mentioned, as bitcoin is not controlled by one single entity, it can be used by people/countries somehow excluded from financial relations by use of sanctions

        decentralization does not provide any inherent value, on the contrary actually, implementing decentralized protocols of any kind is always less efficient and much more complex, but with the current uncontrolled state of the financial sytem bitcoin provides a workaround for people/countries in need of such technology

          • throwaway [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            unfortunately i can't, and it's unrealistic that any government would force them to do so, that's why bitcoin came around, and even if they did publish it, there is no way to make sure they're actually using this very protocol to exchange transactions, plus it doesn't eliminate transaction censorship and surveillance

            • gammison [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              even if they did publish it

              They do, just not in a very public way to people outside the cryptography community, and there's no audit of course on the implementations. All of Visa's protocols are in some form in the papers published by Visa Research.