Naturally. Don't forget big pharma, corporate lawyers, anyone in the prison industry or pipeline, anyone who makes tech or tools for law enforcement (duh), anyone who is or was associated with the military, anyone who works for big agriculture (factory farms are undeniably evil), anyone working with any major food or clothing producers (child slavery is also undeniably evil), anyone who works for oil or gas industries (duh), anyone who works for the plastics and chemical manufacturers, anyone who works in the auto or trucking industry, and anyone who works for or with landlords...
The problem is that there aren't a lot of people left after that. There are some, for sure. But not a lot. Evil people and organizations have control overly nearly all resources. In the short term, in order to not be cut off from resources, including food and shelter, most people have to do things that benefit evil companies and evil people. That does NOT mean that we should just shrug our shoulders and say "I guess morality doesn't matter. Everyone is doing bad things anyway." But it does mean that we shouldn't fall into the sectarianism trap / puriry tests for leftists.
@kitten on this note, you're welcome to think I'm evil... I don't necessarily even blame you. I have major doubts myself. But I take the dirty money I get and try to make the best of it by, for example, providing rent free housing to homeless trans people and sexual assault survivors. (I'm not a landl*rd. I just manage to make enough to pay the monthly mortage on a house and I let people stay in my house rent free.)
Is it better that I not have the money and not be able to help? maybe it is. it's dirty fucking money. maybe I'm just rationalizing. But I don't think I am. I came to the conclusion that being able to help real people today is worth the risk of some amount of potential "butterfly effect" style harm to hypothetical people in the future.
I don't dislike google employees because they're evil or bad leftists, I dislike them because they suck and they ruin every good venue and bar with their techy stink, they are lame app nerds, and because of the special busses and teslas. They are allowed at the socialist meeting but not good to date or talk to, or sit near at a cafe, etc
Obviously an unfair generalization but oh well, I do the same for ad men and wall st types
I do appreciate you replying. and I appreciate what you're saying. I do get where you're coming from.
Drawing lines is tough. Is child labor worse or is adult slavery worse? Is it better to poison rivers or wipe out a species? you know what I mean? like, I'd rather work for Google than Nestlé, but I also completely understand why someone else might feel the exact opposite. I dream of a society where we have more than just bad choices in front us and are not constantly having to try and decide what the lesser evil is. And I know you feel the same.
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Naturally. Don't forget big pharma, corporate lawyers, anyone in the prison industry or pipeline, anyone who makes tech or tools for law enforcement (duh), anyone who is or was associated with the military, anyone who works for big agriculture (factory farms are undeniably evil), anyone working with any major food or clothing producers (child slavery is also undeniably evil), anyone who works for oil or gas industries (duh), anyone who works for the plastics and chemical manufacturers, anyone who works in the auto or trucking industry, and anyone who works for or with landlords...
The problem is that there aren't a lot of people left after that. There are some, for sure. But not a lot. Evil people and organizations have control overly nearly all resources. In the short term, in order to not be cut off from resources, including food and shelter, most people have to do things that benefit evil companies and evil people. That does NOT mean that we should just shrug our shoulders and say "I guess morality doesn't matter. Everyone is doing bad things anyway." But it does mean that we shouldn't fall into the sectarianism trap / puriry tests for leftists.
@kitten on this note, you're welcome to think I'm evil... I don't necessarily even blame you. I have major doubts myself. But I take the dirty money I get and try to make the best of it by, for example, providing rent free housing to homeless trans people and sexual assault survivors. (I'm not a landl*rd. I just manage to make enough to pay the monthly mortage on a house and I let people stay in my house rent free.)
Is it better that I not have the money and not be able to help? maybe it is. it's dirty fucking money. maybe I'm just rationalizing. But I don't think I am. I came to the conclusion that being able to help real people today is worth the risk of some amount of potential "butterfly effect" style harm to hypothetical people in the future.
I don't dislike google employees because they're evil or bad leftists, I dislike them because they suck and they ruin every good venue and bar with their techy stink, they are lame app nerds, and because of the special busses and teslas. They are allowed at the socialist meeting but not good to date or talk to, or sit near at a cafe, etc
Obviously an unfair generalization but oh well, I do the same for ad men and wall st types
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I do appreciate you replying. and I appreciate what you're saying. I do get where you're coming from.
Drawing lines is tough. Is child labor worse or is adult slavery worse? Is it better to poison rivers or wipe out a species? you know what I mean? like, I'd rather work for Google than Nestlé, but I also completely understand why someone else might feel the exact opposite. I dream of a society where we have more than just bad choices in front us and are not constantly having to try and decide what the lesser evil is. And I know you feel the same.