I'm sorry you can't agree with my serious and scholarly conclusion of
Anyway, I realise I’ve written a lot of words. I hope you read and get something out of the as I doubt anyone else will.
In conclusion
BORN TO DIE
CURRENCY IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am bandit man
410,757,864,530 RED FASCISTS
Mahknov did nothing wrong.
Thanks for reading 😊
😔
Nevertheless I will stand by by because I think it's funny and I enjoyed typing it.
My actual thesis, was that Trotsky and the Bolshevik's narrow definition of "the working class" and "proletariat" as being exclusively wage labourers and explicitly not including the peasantry who they defined as being "inherently reactionary" and needed to be subjugated by terror to install a dictatorship of the "proletariat" was an unmitigated disaster in regions, such as Ukraine, whose population was over 80% peasants and <5% wage labourers.
On the pogroms stuff, again,as you said, institutionally, the Mahknovist Black Army was not Anti-semitic. They frequently condemned the whites on the basis of their anti-semitism, citing it as a reason they could never make common cause, and had a lot of jews in their command structure. Were individual Mahknovists anti-semitic? Yeah, almost certainly, it was 1917. Was that reflected by targetting jews disproportionately when they purged the bourgoisie and aristocrats in the cities they took? In some cases, yeah, almost certainly. But the Black Army didn't engage in Pogroms any more than the Bolsheviks did and it's disingenous to pretend they did. Like, come on, the thing you quoted even specifies that it was jewish "merchants and shopkeepers". Is there perhaps another word for that? One maybe starting with a B?
But all of that is kind of besides the point. The fucked up shit Trotsky and the Red army did wasn't fighting the Black Army. It was the mass forced conscriptions and the mass executions of the friends and families of anyone who resisted or "deserted". That, alongside the Bolsheviks blunt refusal to allow the peasants to redistribute land and negotiate the sale of their produce on a collective basis (y'know, seize their means of production and own the fruits of their labour) and insistence instead, that they keep working their old lords fields and give the grain to the Bolsheviks, and again, policy of executing not only anyone who resisted this but also their families and supporters that kept the peasant revolutions going.
The USSR accomplished some wonderful things, but they shouldn't have done what they did to the Mahknovists.
I don't agree with most of what you've written about Makhno. And it's a shame that you stand by it even knowing that Makhnovists were murderers & anti-leftist pogromists
The peasantry were included in the poor & working classes supporting the Reds, literally the sickle represents the peasantry, and the bourgeois fancy lad Menshevik Trotsky isn't reflective of who actually identified with the Reds.
Actually the Red Army didn't engage more in pogroms than did the Black Army, and the Red Army conscripted specifically among Jewish communities far more than any of these other groups did
" A delegation from Novozlatopol once went to Machno [sic] to discuss his raids against the Jews. Machno’s reply was “What can I do ? They’re just a bunch of ignorant peasants”, referring to his own men.”
Is that your idea of Makhno "condemning" the anti-Jewish murders among his ranks?
Black Army isn't to be lionized. Makhno is beatified in a way comporting with Western anti-communism, not in a historically or functionally accurate manner
If Makhno had maintained his obligations and continued the fight against imperialism where and when he was needed, I think that the situation would've been far different
I'm sorry you can't agree with my serious and scholarly conclusion of
😔
Nevertheless I will stand by by because I think it's funny and I enjoyed typing it.
My actual thesis, was that Trotsky and the Bolshevik's narrow definition of "the working class" and "proletariat" as being exclusively wage labourers and explicitly not including the peasantry who they defined as being "inherently reactionary" and needed to be subjugated by terror to install a dictatorship of the "proletariat" was an unmitigated disaster in regions, such as Ukraine, whose population was over 80% peasants and <5% wage labourers.
On the pogroms stuff, again,as you said, institutionally, the Mahknovist Black Army was not Anti-semitic. They frequently condemned the whites on the basis of their anti-semitism, citing it as a reason they could never make common cause, and had a lot of jews in their command structure. Were individual Mahknovists anti-semitic? Yeah, almost certainly, it was 1917. Was that reflected by targetting jews disproportionately when they purged the bourgoisie and aristocrats in the cities they took? In some cases, yeah, almost certainly. But the Black Army didn't engage in Pogroms any more than the Bolsheviks did and it's disingenous to pretend they did. Like, come on, the thing you quoted even specifies that it was jewish "merchants and shopkeepers". Is there perhaps another word for that? One maybe starting with a B?
But all of that is kind of besides the point. The fucked up shit Trotsky and the Red army did wasn't fighting the Black Army. It was the mass forced conscriptions and the mass executions of the friends and families of anyone who resisted or "deserted". That, alongside the Bolsheviks blunt refusal to allow the peasants to redistribute land and negotiate the sale of their produce on a collective basis (y'know, seize their means of production and own the fruits of their labour) and insistence instead, that they keep working their old lords fields and give the grain to the Bolsheviks, and again, policy of executing not only anyone who resisted this but also their families and supporters that kept the peasant revolutions going.
The USSR accomplished some wonderful things, but they shouldn't have done what they did to the Mahknovists.
I don't agree with most of what you've written about Makhno. And it's a shame that you stand by it even knowing that Makhnovists were murderers & anti-leftist pogromists
The peasantry were included in the poor & working classes supporting the Reds, literally the sickle represents the peasantry, and the bourgeois fancy lad Menshevik Trotsky isn't reflective of who actually identified with the Reds.
Actually the Red Army didn't engage more in pogroms than did the Black Army, and the Red Army conscripted specifically among Jewish communities far more than any of these other groups did
" A delegation from Novozlatopol once went to Machno [sic] to discuss his raids against the Jews. Machno’s reply was “What can I do ? They’re just a bunch of ignorant peasants”, referring to his own men.”
Is that your idea of Makhno "condemning" the anti-Jewish murders among his ranks?
Black Army isn't to be lionized. Makhno is beatified in a way comporting with Western anti-communism, not in a historically or functionally accurate manner
If Makhno had maintained his obligations and continued the fight against imperialism where and when he was needed, I think that the situation would've been far different
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
:pigpoop: