1000s of people, hundreds of screaming children all touching each other, and disdain for ppl who do wear it. Starting to become jokerfied asf tbh

  • bark [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout this person works on vaccines.

    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1360925299957981184

    They are (apparently) an actual expert. Worked on the Moderna one I guess.

    • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      No disrespect to you - There's nothing persuasive or authoritative about that account apart from a grasp of the terminology.

      Positivity for it's own sake has it's place, but we're beyond that place.

      https://twitter.com/AltenbergLee/status/1361045466792685571

      • bark [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        We're not though.

        We're actively vaccinating the people who are most at risk. We're moving at an accelerating pace, the vaccines are very good.

        • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          We who?

          What you're referring to is only part of the long term picture, which is what that account is getting called out for in the link I posted.

          • bark [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            we’re beyond that place.

            We who?

            We need to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we can while maintaining lockdowns. The variants don't change that they just make it more urgent.

            • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              Again, who is we? There is a world of countries out there with very different attitudes and access to vaccines.

              The current and future variants absolutely change the global outlook. Again, you're focussing on one narrow aspect of the issue, as per the link I posted. Neither of us are qualified to take this discussion further, so I'm gonna leave it here tbh.

                • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  Here's the recent official narrative, the real situation is likely worse:

                  https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/covid-19-risk-assessment-variants-vaccine-fourteenth-update-february-2021

                  "The B.1.1.7 variant appears to be more transmissible than the previously predominant circulating strains and may cause more severe infection. Several countries where the variant has become dominant have seen rapid increases in incidence. This has resulted in increased hospitalisations, overstretched health systems and excess mortality. B.1.351 is also associated with increased transmissibility. In addition, there is evidence pointing to the potential for reduced effectiveness for some of the COVID-19 vaccines with this variant."

                  "Due to the increased transmissibility, the evidence of increased severity and the potential for the existing licensed COVID-19 vaccines to be partially or significantly less effective against a variant of concern (VOC) combined with the high probability that the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 cases due to B.1.1.7 (and possibly also B.1.351 and P.1) will increase, the risk associated with further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 VOCs in the EU/EEA is currently assessed as high to very high for the overall population and very high for vulnerable individuals."

              • Pezevenk [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Can you people just stop talking about wes, my head hurts

        • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          hmm it definitely seems normal to say “things are going in a positive direction BUT we are ACTUALLY doomed”

          Said nothing like that. Fuck dooming. We are (or should be) in a place of pragmatism. Faux positivity & hoping things would just work out failed. There are clear and obvious successful national models. They should be followed at all costs, as they have in Vietnam, S Korea, China, NZ, Aus.

            • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              It's absolutely still possible to implement the zero covid, track and trace strategies, at any time. It just takes political will and a month of hard lockdown, like those countries. Stop dooming :hahaha:

              There are many examples globally of draconian national anti-pathogen measures, often for agricultural pathogens, that were introduced temporarily in the past, with police and military enforcement and zero protest from populations. It just takes political for enforcement which evaporated when the rich realized that they probably wouldn't die from this, it would be mostly the poor.

              The point of this thread was that the practical result appears to be 50% of the population staying at home, talking about the next vaccine for the next variant, and 50% out living their lives, not giving a fuck, breeding the next variant. I'm starting to wonder why I'm in the former.

                • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  No comrade, I was being polite and careful with my language, you came in hot with your post. If you can't take the heat...

                  We can still be constructive about this. The issue, following from the OP, is that at the very least the optics of half the population living as usual and breeding more virulent variants through their behaviours is unsustainable. The situation is getting worse and vaccines are not a panacea at all, realism is needed.

                  Here's the latest:

                  https://hexbear.net/post/84121/comment/912113