The alliance with Israel isn't a "right wing thing" either? Like, it's the most consistent foreign policy of the US. The superstitions of some evangelicals are a non factor in that. That's just how it can be justified for their constituents.
That's true but then you have some high ups, like Mike Pence for example, that actually believe the evangelical bullshit that if more Jewish people move to Israel the end times will come. So it's more complex than that.
There are no such high ups in Europe and you still have more or less the same situation. Whether Pence really believes it or just acts that way for his voters, who knows. But it doesn't matter. Pence may believe whatever, it's not gonna matter for long term foreign policy at all. Biden doesn't believe it, neither does Harris, but you've got the same thing going on.
Are you saying that there are no Christian based political parties in Europe? I find that very hard to believe.
But otherwise I agree with the rest of what you said. Israel is used as a vector for US foreign policy policy in the region and the US propaganda machine sells it to the evangelicals through some end times prophecy nonsense and to the liberals through some idealistic nonsense. However you do get the rare situation where someone that actually drunk the kool aid ends up behind the wheel which can lead to "interesting" scenarios.
Are you saying that there are no Christian based political parties in Europe?
There are no Evangelical based parties who believe the Israel rupture shit. The belief you are describing isn't a shared Christian belief, it's something certain American Evangelicals believe.
"They" is a certain subset of Protestants. It's not a good enough reason to affect foreign policy to that extent, for so long. Reminds me of the people who thought Russia would fight tooth and nail for Nagorno Karabakh because they are both christian orthodox vs muslims. Noooope.
Now take that and multiply it by a factor of 10 and make it about the entire country, not one party. That's the Orthodox church in Russia.
If that was a major factor, then it would only be the republicans doing that, but it's probably the most consistent position the US has in terms of foreign policy. This is really just an extension of colonialism. It is perpetuated and justified by racial and religious hatred but it's not the main engine behind it.
Eh this is one issue where the GOP is being led around by donors and the evangelical base to much worse positions than the Democratic party IMO. Not that the DNC is good on Israel, they're terrible of course. But evangelicals/GOP basically want Israel (a Palestinian-free Israel) to be the 51st state, and while that's hyperbole it's not that far off.
But those shitstains also deeply hate jewish people. They just swallowed a excuse to have a military enclave there to shit on the region.
Even more, I thibk the whole evangelism was originally designed by some CIA or shit like that, and that fucking idea went damn good. Yet they couldn't pull the exact thing in south america, even despite the Bolsonaro thing.
damn it's almost like cultural institutions are some sort of... megabuilding constructed on top of the economic foundation :curious-marx: I'm sure someone can clean that up
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The crackpots who believe in Armageddon think the Jews need to be in charge of Israel in order for Jesus to make his encore appearance.
That's literally it. American WASPs hate Jews otherwise.
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Is that why they're also allied with Saudi Arabia? Is that also why they are allied with Israel despite many of them being very antisemitic?
There's a lot more to this than the personal grievances of bigoted conservatives with other races and creeds.
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The alliance with Israel isn't a "right wing thing" either? Like, it's the most consistent foreign policy of the US. The superstitions of some evangelicals are a non factor in that. That's just how it can be justified for their constituents.
That's true but then you have some high ups, like Mike Pence for example, that actually believe the evangelical bullshit that if more Jewish people move to Israel the end times will come. So it's more complex than that.
There are no such high ups in Europe and you still have more or less the same situation. Whether Pence really believes it or just acts that way for his voters, who knows. But it doesn't matter. Pence may believe whatever, it's not gonna matter for long term foreign policy at all. Biden doesn't believe it, neither does Harris, but you've got the same thing going on.
Are you saying that there are no Christian based political parties in Europe? I find that very hard to believe.
But otherwise I agree with the rest of what you said. Israel is used as a vector for US foreign policy policy in the region and the US propaganda machine sells it to the evangelicals through some end times prophecy nonsense and to the liberals through some idealistic nonsense. However you do get the rare situation where someone that actually drunk the kool aid ends up behind the wheel which can lead to "interesting" scenarios.
There are no Evangelical based parties who believe the Israel rupture shit. The belief you are describing isn't a shared Christian belief, it's something certain American Evangelicals believe.
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"They" is a certain subset of Protestants. It's not a good enough reason to affect foreign policy to that extent, for so long. Reminds me of the people who thought Russia would fight tooth and nail for Nagorno Karabakh because they are both christian orthodox vs muslims. Noooope.
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Now take that and multiply it by a factor of 10 and make it about the entire country, not one party. That's the Orthodox church in Russia.
If that was a major factor, then it would only be the republicans doing that, but it's probably the most consistent position the US has in terms of foreign policy. This is really just an extension of colonialism. It is perpetuated and justified by racial and religious hatred but it's not the main engine behind it.
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That’s true but both parties are the same when it comes to Israel
Eh this is one issue where the GOP is being led around by donors and the evangelical base to much worse positions than the Democratic party IMO. Not that the DNC is good on Israel, they're terrible of course. But evangelicals/GOP basically want Israel (a Palestinian-free Israel) to be the 51st state, and while that's hyperbole it's not that far off.
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But those shitstains also deeply hate jewish people. They just swallowed a excuse to have a military enclave there to shit on the region.
Even more, I thibk the whole evangelism was originally designed by some CIA or shit like that, and that fucking idea went damn good. Yet they couldn't pull the exact thing in south america, even despite the Bolsonaro thing.
read Marx, idealist lib
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damn it's almost like cultural institutions are some sort of... megabuilding constructed on top of the economic foundation :curious-marx: I'm sure someone can clean that up