Its kinda weird because I always think of 2nd wave feminism is more associated with the "Men label feminine things as weak, so dismiss all feminine-associated traits". Like short, barely styled hair, jeans, eschewing any makeup, (literally) burning bras, lumberjack shirts, no piercings, "I'm not like other domestic girls that are enslaved by their husbands"-attitude yet also not trying to be "one of the guys". While I wouldn't associate Hillary Clinton with this movement, she was DEFINITELY inspired by it. Then 3rd wave feminism came around and re-appropriated feminine things, and embraced more feminine styles of dress and makeup as liberating, saying "I don't need to act like men to be equal to men". RiotGrrrl was some of the more radical/punk sides of it, and was of enormous influence.
Although We've gotta be in 4th wave right now, right? I'd see trends within it as rejecting gender altogether, including a "men can be feminine too" streak which I don't think has really been around before. I'm curious, what else would people associate 4th wave feminism with?
I've also gotta say, the more trans than lesbian thing kinda intrigued me as well. 2nd wave feminism did have its gross "Political Lesbianism" aspects, which probably inflated those numbers which today would I imagine mostly be "bi" identifying. I do sometimes think the trans community can be a liiiitttle bit too quick sometimes to jump in assuming everyone is an egg, esp if they are talking about "thinking about gender for the first time" and "had this one doll I used to enjoy playing with as a kid" or "always really enjoyed the color pink" or "would play dress up with my moms clothes (literally everyone does this as a kid)". I'm genderqueer, and I've seriously had people condescendingly tell me "Oh, this is just a little phase you're going through, you'll be able to admit you're actually a transgirl soon enough", (Shit I unfortunately also heard [and still hear sometimes] from the gay community about being bi). I obviously don't have the first-hand experience of a cis girl to know if they'res "pressure" on cis-lesbians (I'm gonna guess primarily butch-leaning ones?) to like "come out as trans instead" (whatever the fuck that'd even mean, lol) but I certainly don't think I've ever seen anything of that matter overtly.
That image is literally what Glenn Greenwarld is arguing right now.
Its kinda weird because I always think of 2nd wave feminism is more associated with the "Men label feminine things as weak, so dismiss all feminine-associated traits". Like short, barely styled hair, jeans, eschewing any makeup, (literally) burning bras, lumberjack shirts, no piercings, "I'm not like other domestic girls that are enslaved by their husbands"-attitude yet also not trying to be "one of the guys". While I wouldn't associate Hillary Clinton with this movement, she was DEFINITELY inspired by it. Then 3rd wave feminism came around and re-appropriated feminine things, and embraced more feminine styles of dress and makeup as liberating, saying "I don't need to act like men to be equal to men". RiotGrrrl was some of the more radical/punk sides of it, and was of enormous influence.
Although We've gotta be in 4th wave right now, right? I'd see trends within it as rejecting gender altogether, including a "men can be feminine too" streak which I don't think has really been around before. I'm curious, what else would people associate 4th wave feminism with?
I've also gotta say, the more trans than lesbian thing kinda intrigued me as well. 2nd wave feminism did have its gross "Political Lesbianism" aspects, which probably inflated those numbers which today would I imagine mostly be "bi" identifying. I do sometimes think the trans community can be a liiiitttle bit too quick sometimes to jump in assuming everyone is an egg, esp if they are talking about "thinking about gender for the first time" and "had this one doll I used to enjoy playing with as a kid" or "always really enjoyed the color pink" or "would play dress up with my moms clothes (literally everyone does this as a kid)". I'm genderqueer, and I've seriously had people condescendingly tell me "Oh, this is just a little phase you're going through, you'll be able to admit you're actually a transgirl soon enough", (Shit I unfortunately also heard [and still hear sometimes] from the gay community about being bi). I obviously don't have the first-hand experience of a cis girl to know if they'res "pressure" on cis-lesbians (I'm gonna guess primarily butch-leaning ones?) to like "come out as trans instead" (whatever the fuck that'd even mean, lol) but I certainly don't think I've ever seen anything of that matter overtly.