“Yeah but the Legion got the traders moving on time.”
The slaveholding Legion? With the stupid Roman aesthetic? Yeah they’re bad, kiddos. BoS runs the spectrum of good and evil in most of the games but the Legion is 100% the worst choice for the Wasteland.
I mean, there's one fucking line about the legion doing something of any use to anyone. A single fucking line, and people still support them.
Like, some old nerd decides "hey, what if we took all the worst parts of the Roman empire and made it a thing", and some sad nerds are still gonna defend it
IMO House-supporters are the worst. Legion is comically villainous so only like the fash minority supports them. But you'll have entire comment sections devoted to House being the obvious best choice because he says he'll send a rocket to Mars while wringing money from sex-slaves as most of humanity can barely eat.
The man lives in a literal ivory tower in a literal gated community that's surrounded by poverty that he himself caused. I don't know how more obvious they could have made it that he only cares about himself and his personal projects
Legion is still capitalist. Have you not seen the merchant in their camp? Or the ongoing slave trade?
Kings are cool, but they're not doing anything. Followers are the ones doing mutual aid. They still tolerate crime. They even let the Van Graffs seize a plot of land and turn it into private property. They respect them for it.
The way I see it, supporting Mr. House makes him not only functionally immortal; but also the dominant power east of Shady Sands.
Caesar is not only mortal, but extremely fragile thanks to comrade tumor and Caesar's luddite tendencies. I choose to believe that Caesar's Legion would not survive the death of its figurehead, being a mishmash of disparate tribes held together through fear and a cult of personality; this is all fake videogame horseshit so you can't tell me I'm wrong.
House could theoretically maintain an iron grip on Nevada forever, while Caesar's Legion has a ticking timebomb in its chest.
Also I think Caesar's Legion inevitably loses to the New California Republic, whereas House would probably nuke it (or at the very least glass it with an army of robots.)
You are correct in your Followers take.
Also I'd like to point out I am not saying Legion = Good or critical support, I am saying they are not necessarilly the 100% worst faction as you said. I think House has the potential to be a greater evil than the legion. There is no 100% worst faction, because much like real life Fallout lore is messy with no "good" or "bad" guys just people operating from a position of perceived self-interest.
House states clearly that war with the NCR is not his goal, and it's true. His whole plan is to leech off the NCR's effort to rebuild and maintain civilization. He needs that consumerist base, that advancing infrastructure, etc.
Caesar's Legion does not collapse if he dies. It can easily take the whole Mojave according to the end slides. Numerous characters state it will likely take decades after his death for it to collapse, and even then no one has any idea what comes next. Likely, it will be more of the same. A new warlord.
House states clearly that war with the NCR is not his goal, and it’s true.
Yes true, but if you side with House the outcome is he drives the NCR out for control of the Hoover Dam regardless.
Mr. House's Securitron army took control of Hoover Dam and the Strip, pushing both the Legion and the exhausted NCR out of New Vegas. Mr. House continued to run New Vegas his way, a despotic vision of pre-War glory. The streets were orderly, efficient, cold. New Vegas continued to be the sole place in the wasteland where fortunes were won and lost in the blink of an eye.
IRT why I think the legion collapses without Caesar:
Robert House: "By my calculations, his death will affect the shape of the battle for Hoover Dam minimally, if at all. The Legion's aggression will outlive Caesar. Indeed, they'll try to take the dam as a tribute to his memory. Given a year, they'd have him deified - but by then the Legion will be breaking down, riven by internal conflicts, a monster consuming itself. It's irrelevant. In the short term, the Legion is still monster enough that defeating it will make me look powerful indeed."
Joshua Graham: "I think only Caesar can lead the Legion. I've never met anyone who could take his place. I couldn't. I never had a mind for logistics. I don't know Lanius, but from what I've heard, he has no interest in leading anyone unless it's in battle. No. The Legion dies with Caesar. What follows now are just the last steps of a man who does not yet realize that he's walking dead."
Marcus: "{contempt} Caesar thinks he can change human nature. Most of the Legion is following Caesar, not Caesar's ideals. When he's gone, it'll crumble. Might not happen overnight. Might take a few decades. But it'll happen. Basic human nature - greed, ambition, jealousy - will see to it."
“Yeah but the Legion got the traders moving on time.”
The slaveholding Legion? With the stupid Roman aesthetic? Yeah they’re bad, kiddos. BoS runs the spectrum of good and evil in most of the games but the Legion is 100% the worst choice for the Wasteland.
I mean, there's one fucking line about the legion doing something of any use to anyone. A single fucking line, and people still support them.
Like, some old nerd decides "hey, what if we took all the worst parts of the Roman empire and made it a thing", and some sad nerds are still gonna defend it
IMO House-supporters are the worst. Legion is comically villainous so only like the fash minority supports them. But you'll have entire comment sections devoted to House being the obvious best choice because he says he'll send a rocket to Mars while wringing money from sex-slaves as most of humanity can barely eat.
The man lives in a literal ivory tower in a literal gated community that's surrounded by poverty that he himself caused. I don't know how more obvious they could have made it that he only cares about himself and his personal projects
I dunno man, I tend to lean LARPing luddite dweebs over mecha-capitalist.
#FreesidefortheKings
Legion is still capitalist. Have you not seen the merchant in their camp? Or the ongoing slave trade?
Kings are cool, but they're not doing anything. Followers are the ones doing mutual aid. They still tolerate crime. They even let the Van Graffs seize a plot of land and turn it into private property. They respect them for it.
The way I see it, supporting Mr. House makes him not only functionally immortal; but also the dominant power east of Shady Sands.
Caesar is not only mortal, but extremely fragile thanks to comrade tumor and Caesar's luddite tendencies. I choose to believe that Caesar's Legion would not survive the death of its figurehead, being a mishmash of disparate tribes held together through fear and a cult of personality; this is all fake videogame horseshit so you can't tell me I'm wrong.
House could theoretically maintain an iron grip on Nevada forever, while Caesar's Legion has a ticking timebomb in its chest.
Also I think Caesar's Legion inevitably loses to the New California Republic, whereas House would probably nuke it (or at the very least glass it with an army of robots.)
You are correct in your Followers take.
Also I'd like to point out I am not saying Legion = Good or critical support, I am saying they are not necessarilly the 100% worst faction as you said. I think House has the potential to be a greater evil than the legion. There is no 100% worst faction, because much like real life Fallout lore is messy with no "good" or "bad" guys just people operating from a position of perceived self-interest.
House states clearly that war with the NCR is not his goal, and it's true. His whole plan is to leech off the NCR's effort to rebuild and maintain civilization. He needs that consumerist base, that advancing infrastructure, etc.
Caesar's Legion does not collapse if he dies. It can easily take the whole Mojave according to the end slides. Numerous characters state it will likely take decades after his death for it to collapse, and even then no one has any idea what comes next. Likely, it will be more of the same. A new warlord.
Yes true, but if you side with House the outcome is he drives the NCR out for control of the Hoover Dam regardless.
IRT why I think the legion collapses without Caesar:
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