I’m not gonna go and look at the posts there because I don’t really care, but that doesn’t really seem all that crazy
It does. When someone complains about feminism guilt tripping men or "downplaying female advantages PARTICULARLY IN CASES OF ALLEGED ABUSE" and "one sided equality" then it's a big fucking burning red flag. It should not be the purpose of a MEN'S sub to specifically complain about "girlboss feminism", inevitably they won't stick to that (not that they were planning to).
No, it's not in and of itself a red flag. There are absolutely women of the "girlboss feminist" variety that use it as a way to climb the social/corporate ladder and not as a means of liberation for all people of all genders. I regularly have to interact with quite a few such women. I've seen many of these same women downplay sexual abuse of men, which is a issue that is actually a wider societal issue. Feminists/the feminist movement, and more specifically it's submovements, as is really the case here (referring to neoliberal feminism) should in no circumstances be above critique for its failures, and men have as much of a right to critique as anyone else of any other gender identity. If the posting just devolves into stupidpol level complaints about everything with no real attempts to discuss the building of more egalitarian gender norms, then that is a different story.
Nowhere in either of my previous statements have I defended this sub. OP tried to show that this sub is bad with these three paragraphs, and what I have said is that there is nothing inherently wrong with these three paragraphs, and that instead, if the sub is bad, it should show with actual posting examples. In my comment that you responded to, I specifically said:
If the posting just devolves into stupidpol level complaints about everything with no real attempts to discuss the building of more egalitarian gender norms, then that is a different story.
It does. When someone complains about feminism guilt tripping men or "downplaying female advantages PARTICULARLY IN CASES OF ALLEGED ABUSE" and "one sided equality" then it's a big fucking burning red flag. It should not be the purpose of a MEN'S sub to specifically complain about "girlboss feminism", inevitably they won't stick to that (not that they were planning to).
No, it's not in and of itself a red flag. There are absolutely women of the "girlboss feminist" variety that use it as a way to climb the social/corporate ladder and not as a means of liberation for all people of all genders. I regularly have to interact with quite a few such women. I've seen many of these same women downplay sexual abuse of men, which is a issue that is actually a wider societal issue. Feminists/the feminist movement, and more specifically it's submovements, as is really the case here (referring to neoliberal feminism) should in no circumstances be above critique for its failures, and men have as much of a right to critique as anyone else of any other gender identity. If the posting just devolves into stupidpol level complaints about everything with no real attempts to discuss the building of more egalitarian gender norms, then that is a different story.
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Nowhere in either of my previous statements have I defended this sub. OP tried to show that this sub is bad with these three paragraphs, and what I have said is that there is nothing inherently wrong with these three paragraphs, and that instead, if the sub is bad, it should show with actual posting examples. In my comment that you responded to, I specifically said: