Star Wars OT is good. It's about a rebel group that topples an oppressive imperialist regime. If I recall correctly, Lucas was taking inspiration directly from Vietnam. The rebels are the Vietnamese communists. The Empire is the USA. Absolutely based.
The prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy are both completely politically incoherent.
The prequels are trash films and full of faults but I'm not sure they're politically incoherent, they're very blatantly about the inability of decaying / late stage parliamentary democracies in dealing with the rise of fascism
Yeah, if you have the prequels described to you they're amazing movies.
It's only when you actually watch them that you discover that they're actually bad in every way a movie can be bad. They are, except for the script, acting, cinematography and editing, great movies.
That is certainly the broad thrust of it, but it's muddled by the specifics of Palpatine's plan making absolutely no sense. A series of completely unplannable events occurs, which culminates perfectly in the galactic senate giving Palpatine dictatorial powers. I get it, I see what George is going for, but I would have appreciated any of the events along the way having some meaning.
I suppose so. Mostly, random events take place, and then occasionally a villain will pull out their Palpatine hologram and say everything is going according to plan my master! But the audience is never, ever clued into the plan, so we're left to assume Palpatine is a 500 IQ mastermind puppeteering everything toward his ultimate goal. I wish it had been better thought out; George clearly has good ideas in mind., but the execution is abysmal.
I mean, they could have established that by like, idk having a scene were Palpatine goes into his secret space hologram map room and chackles why going "Operation Q Delta failed, but now Operation Z Gamma is going right as planned!"
I can buy the idea that the guy is a 10,000 IQ genius with 5000 back up plans but you kinda have to explain that, or else it's just a lot of him going "THIS WAS MY PLAN! SOMEHOW!"
Oh yeah, I definitely didn't mean to imply it's clearly executed, well written, well thought out or even anything really. I just think it's pretty obvious what those films are trying, very poorly, to suggest
The prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy are both completely politically incoherent.
I think the politics of the Prequel Trilogy are extremely coherent and well thought out. The problem Lucas had is he forgot the golden rule "Nobody cares about the events of your story, they care about how it affects the characters."
The sequels are all focused in on the characters which is why people liked them more...but the politics are just all over the map. Its still not clear to me how the first order went from being a sort of rogue military group to being the dominate force in the galaxy between 7 and 8.
They are coded as Nazis in terms of costuming, but the plot of the film doesn't support that. There are no allied powers at war with the Empire, just rebels from the places they've conquered.
Star Wars OT is good. It's about a rebel group that topples an oppressive imperialist regime. If I recall correctly, Lucas was taking inspiration directly from Vietnam. The rebels are the Vietnamese communists. The Empire is the USA. Absolutely based.
The prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy are both completely politically incoherent.
The prequels are trash films and full of faults but I'm not sure they're politically incoherent, they're very blatantly about the inability of decaying / late stage parliamentary democracies in dealing with the rise of fascism
Yeah, if you have the prequels described to you they're amazing movies.
It's only when you actually watch them that you discover that they're actually bad in every way a movie can be bad. They are, except for the script, acting, cinematography and editing, great movies.
One could say the story is fantastic but terribly executed. Perhaps it would be better if those aspects were improved or as a novel.
Perhaps a novel by Matthew Woodring Stover
That is certainly the broad thrust of it, but it's muddled by the specifics of Palpatine's plan making absolutely no sense. A series of completely unplannable events occurs, which culminates perfectly in the galactic senate giving Palpatine dictatorial powers. I get it, I see what George is going for, but I would have appreciated any of the events along the way having some meaning.
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I suppose so. Mostly, random events take place, and then occasionally a villain will pull out their Palpatine hologram and say everything is going according to plan my master! But the audience is never, ever clued into the plan, so we're left to assume Palpatine is a 500 IQ mastermind puppeteering everything toward his ultimate goal. I wish it had been better thought out; George clearly has good ideas in mind., but the execution is abysmal.
I mean, they could have established that by like, idk having a scene were Palpatine goes into his secret space hologram map room and chackles why going "Operation Q Delta failed, but now Operation Z Gamma is going right as planned!"
I can buy the idea that the guy is a 10,000 IQ genius with 5000 back up plans but you kinda have to explain that, or else it's just a lot of him going "THIS WAS MY PLAN! SOMEHOW!"
Oh yeah, I definitely didn't mean to imply it's clearly executed, well written, well thought out or even anything really. I just think it's pretty obvious what those films are trying, very poorly, to suggest
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I think the politics of the Prequel Trilogy are extremely coherent and well thought out. The problem Lucas had is he forgot the golden rule "Nobody cares about the events of your story, they care about how it affects the characters." The sequels are all focused in on the characters which is why people liked them more...but the politics are just all over the map. Its still not clear to me how the first order went from being a sort of rogue military group to being the dominate force in the galaxy between 7 and 8.
The "evil empire" is German (British actors)
They are coded as Nazis in terms of costuming, but the plot of the film doesn't support that. There are no allied powers at war with the Empire, just rebels from the places they've conquered.