Immigration increases the reserve army of labour and drives down wages so i figure it would be beneficial for them so why do some (conservative) capitalists oppose it?

    • bottech [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      So basically they are in fact pro immigration just against legal immigration?

      • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        They're pro anything that they can wield as a weapon against their workers. Legal immigration with no labor rights for anyone would be probably be preferable to them because illegal immigration shrinks the vulnerable pool

    • bottech [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      But this still doesnt explain why they are so worried about the illegal immigration, for example the wall trump promised to build was supposed to decrease illegal immigration which according to you is against their interests, so why did the many capitalists supporting trump still want to do it? Or maybe is it just the case of them getting high off of their own supply of ideology?

      • Abraxiel
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        4 years ago

        Some being high off their supply, some knowledge that it will never totally stem the tide of migrants, and some preparing for a future where there actually are massive waves of climate refugees. Also, some political theater and some nice contracts.

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Dude, that wall was always a grift for contractors

      • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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        4 years ago

        It's actually a pretty brilliant grift. First, they get into office by getting voters riled up against immigrants. Then, they proceed to blame the other side and do nothing to fix the situation, which creates a large pool of undocumented immigrant labor that has almost no labor rights/protections. Jobs for non-immigrants go away and wages go down, which makes people angry and leads to the same people getting elected. In the end, the cycle continues and nothing fundamentally changes.

    • bottech [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      How are the petite bourgeoisie threatened by immigration?

      • fusion513 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Cheaper labor cuts into their profits and jeopardizes their livelihood. "Joe's Jetskis" does not have the connections or resources to find and hire cheap immigration labor in the current system. ...and if they can, it's probably illegal immigrants in a precarious situation subject to deportation if they're reported or found out.

        Large multinational corporations, on the other hand have recruiters who can find cheap foreign labor, connections with other countries abroad so they can move operations to lower cost nations, and armies of lawyers who can - perfectly state sanctioned - use H1B, L1A visas to drive down wages, and thus business cost, domestically.

        Petite bourgeoisie aspire to be part of the haute bourgeoisie. The problem, in their mind, is not that their is an inbuilt bias in capitalism towards monopoly... it's that individuals are to blame - i.e. immigrants themselves. Hence, the contradictory belief that government regulations are too restrictive to business AND illegal immigration laws need to be more strictly enforced.

    • bottech [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      That sounds like reversing the causality, ideology exists to advance interests of a certain class, and since that ideology is not fringe among the national bourgeoisie i assume that it must correctly advance their interests so i dont think that it actually hurts their interests, surely they could justify somehow at the same time being racist and pro immigration if it was beneficial to them

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I don't think the nazis really benefitted from genociding all that people. Sometimes monsters are just stupid.

  • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    It’s because if enough people immigrant all at the same time it would have a destabilizing effect on the country and potentially the economy. However the capitalist class wants to do imperialism which creates a massive refugee population seeking asylum in the stable imperial core.

    The capitalist class is usually pro-regulated legal immigration during periods of relative stability, but thanks to the war on terror and drugs destabilizing Central America and the Middle East they don’t want to have to deal with droves desperate displaced people and so tighten up border restrictions.