Like my base assumption is that she's wrong. If you think the PMC is an actual class then you're also only one step away from 🤡

https://twitter.com/jacob__posts/status/1367492298783744001?s=19

  • Grownbravy [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I thought it was a good episode that pretty much defined what I felt was weird about brands they discussed, high tech baby monitors, and how they killed a culture of fun and selfish self-fulfillment to just make you think youre a better worker.

    You have to be pretty disconnected to not know someone who falls into what theyre talking about.

      • GrandAyatollaLenin [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Class doesn't stop existing when you leave the workplace. Culture, politics, ideas, and consumption patterns are shaped by class.

        If you refuse to see anything outside of the workplace as class-based, you're not a Marxist.

        • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          If you refuse to see anything outside of the workplace as class-based, you’re not a Marxist

          that's not what he said at all

          • GrandAyatollaLenin [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            That's because he lacks even the most basic level of understanding necessary to address the point directly.

            No one is saying culture makes a class, but class makes culture and you can analyse that culture, as they do on Chapo Trap House.

            • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              I think the actual point of contention is whether the PMC constitutes an actual, distinct class in itself, on the same level as proletarians, bourgeoisie, peasants, nobles, etc. The point he was making is that a cultural distinction is not a sufficient to consider it its own class.

              • GrandAyatollaLenin [he/him,comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                The point he was making is that a cultural distinction is not a sufficient to consider it its own class.

                That's not a claim anyone was making.

                The PMC is a well defined concept, wether you consider it a class or not. CTH and their guests are taking this predefined group and analyzing the culture that manifests among these people.

                The economic makeup, the relationship to the means of production, wether it is a separate class, is not the subject of the podcast episode, it's not being seriously addressed by the tweets, and OP isn't even engaging with it. He's just completely dismissive of any term he hasn't seen in a Karl Marx quote.

              • JuneFall [none/use name]
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                4 years ago
                Summary of classes that Marx mentioned beyond the struggle between the working class and the bourgeosie.

                The classes are: "bureaucrats and theocrats in the Asiatic mode of production; freemen, slaves, plebeians, and patricians under slavery; lord, serf, guild master and journeyman under feudalism; industrial capitalists, financial capitalists, landlords, peasantry, petty bourgeoisie, and wage laborers under capitalism." Jon Elster, An Introduction to Karl Marx, (Cambridge University Press, 1986), p. 124.