Like my base assumption is that she's wrong. If you think the PMC is an actual class then you're also only one step away from 🤡
https://twitter.com/jacob__posts/status/1367492298783744001?s=19
Like my base assumption is that she's wrong. If you think the PMC is an actual class then you're also only one step away from 🤡
https://twitter.com/jacob__posts/status/1367492298783744001?s=19
Teachers are highly trained and educated professionals, but I defy people to try to say that teachers can't be leftists.
The idea that professionals can't be leftists is absurd.
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Exactly.
I mean, Marx was a highly educated professional.
There are some silly ideas about training, professionalism, and politics.
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Yup that's who I want running the show. People with no training in anything, no sense of professionalism, and no understanding of politics.
Marx class position was a peculiar one. Pretty much academic and then lifetime revolutionary and journalist later on his main income was from Engel's and as such he was in his class position more akin to an artist than a journalist. However individual class positions mean little, as when quantity itself becomes a new quality does the analysis makes sense. E.g. the first proletarian wasn't a class in themselves, only the mass of proletarians created a class.
smh everyone knows teachers are cops especially ms. brown of 10th grade english literature, she knows what she did
Socialists mock this idea because they're all white middle class who aren't touched by the school to prison pipeline.
Teachers are working class so the whole discussion is fucking moot. If for you teachers are PMC then that term is fucking useless.
It is useless
Who was saying professionals can't be leftist?
People who conflate PMCs and professionals...someone here tried to imply people who made over like $50k a year couldn't be...it's been said.
I'm not really listening to the pod anymore, but it seemed implied in the comment I responded to that Amber has implied that before.
Amber.
Amberbot lives?
no they’re not. you can become a teacher with just a college degree, you don’t have to have any training at all. it’s also low pay and low authority and prestige. barely a profession.
It's still considered a part of the PMC, because a college degree in education is considered professional. It's why the term doesn't make sense.
it’s about prestige, authority, education and income. no one counts teachers.
Teachers and nurses are explicitly part of the PMC as the term was formed. Educational background, cultural sensibilities, and the like, not even income per se in its original conception or in most of the analysis. The entire point people like Liu and Ehrenreich using it is downwardly mobile, but attempting to combine that into a singular "class" that isn't coherent. If you dislike intermediate managers, if you dislike the petty bourgeois, sure, but those would work better to refer to rich people than "PMC".
nah teachers aren’t PMC
They are, by the creator of the term, by the scope of the term, and by how it's still used today by most people using it, which involves professionals like teachers and nurses, due to a shared educational background and basic cultural norms (the core part of "PMC", as it was used originally and as it is still used now where most analysis involves looking at the culture and personalities) with the managerial position petty bourgeois. If you don't mean to include teachers, use "rich people" instead and you'd already be more accurate.
true except for the third and important criterion. it’s not how it’s used.
That is how it's still used today, in both academic settings as well as online informal settings, whether it's social media or media people like Matt. For in person organizing in DSA affiliated groups, the term sometimes comes up, with attempted addendums to exclude this or that proletariat occupation each time because it's still used to include proletarians in social media circles near to DSA when something negative comes up related to them.
Not only do most states require a master's degree, you also have to have teaching licensure.
I'm required to do 150 hours of training over the course of every 5 years in order to renew my license. Some in my subject matter, some in pedagogy, some in SEI education, and some in special education.
But go off, I guess.
bachelor’s degree in anything, no training in my state