I really want to reopen the leftist pipeline. I will warn everyone on this site though that it means that to do this the tankie aspect of this site must be more moderated. If we want to reopen the pipeline, we need to become not alienating to libs. As much as I love Parenti I never would have read him if r/chapotraphouse had been more tankie. What I liked on Reddit was that we had Chapo, Moretankiechapo, and Moremoretankiechapo. I would suggest for the future that we open c/ versions of these subs and contain tankie posting to those subs but allow commenting everywhere. That’s how I got bullied into reading Parenti.
lol you're not calling for left unity you're calling for left exclusion and hating on tankies, and the idea that you have to "contain" ML elements is pretty... sectarian.
The idea is to reopen the lib-to-leftist pipeline. If you talk to your coworkers about low wages you will get a much better response than if you start talking about Xinjiang and Stalin. I actually wish I could be even more ML sometimes. One thing I've noticed is that we have c/anarchism but not c/marxism-leninism. This implies that the default here is ML. I am not asking to contain ML elements, I'm asking to contain heavily ML posts (the kulaks deserved it, North Korea is the freest state in the world, etc) in their own subs while allowing commenting everywhere. Get used to seeing liberalism on main if you want this site to grow. That's a good sign, it means the pipeline is reopening.
we have a /c/marxism, you're just not subscribed to it or it'd be on the top section of "communities" for you.
libs can post whatever they want so long as it's not reactionary, the fact that you want to heavily moderate and isolate ML posts more than liberalism is not going to be a good move for 'growing this site.' libs have their own spots they post in, like twitter and reddit. censoring the most active user base here will have the opposite effect on user numbers that you think it will have. there is no real way to grow this site towards libs, because reddit has destroyed the idea of what an internet forum is, but libs sit so close to the peg that they haven't noticed, and there is no incentive to leave if that's where they belong.
edit: there's a bit of parenti in there if you look for it hard enough :putin-wink:
I agree we need more lib or at least SocDem exposure and certain "Tankie" habits may need to be curtailed. I just disagree with having mods repress Tankieposting to achieve it.
Engage with your Tankie comrades. Explain what it takes to draw people in, when to hit them with insults, etc. Really, I think they have a problem with dismissing other tendencies when they have valid arguments they could make. "You don't like China" isn't an argument. "This is a Trotksyist site" isn't an argument. " This is why Stalin and China are good actually" is an argument.
We need some revised interpretation of the code of conduct. Include tendency protections. Maybe allow sectarianism a bit more? Idk. I've had some joking bits get taken down by mods and I feel like that's constraining humour, while not addressing the hostile sectarianism. Kind of attacking that classic Chapo vibe from both ends.
Even though I feel this site leans ML at times, I try my best to stamp out any sectarianism and I feel that most of the community is accepting of anarchist comrades.
There's still a significant population of gleefully sectarian folks who are not bothered if their attacks are removed 3-12 hours later, since they know it's already done it's job.
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I really want to reopen the leftist pipeline. I will warn everyone on this site though that it means that to do this the tankie aspect of this site must be more moderated. If we want to reopen the pipeline, we need to become not alienating to libs. As much as I love Parenti I never would have read him if r/chapotraphouse had been more tankie. What I liked on Reddit was that we had Chapo, Moretankiechapo, and Moremoretankiechapo. I would suggest for the future that we open c/ versions of these subs and contain tankie posting to those subs but allow commenting everywhere. That’s how I got bullied into reading Parenti.
lol you're not calling for left unity you're calling for left exclusion and hating on tankies, and the idea that you have to "contain" ML elements is pretty... sectarian.
The idea is to reopen the lib-to-leftist pipeline. If you talk to your coworkers about low wages you will get a much better response than if you start talking about Xinjiang and Stalin. I actually wish I could be even more ML sometimes. One thing I've noticed is that we have c/anarchism but not c/marxism-leninism. This implies that the default here is ML. I am not asking to contain ML elements, I'm asking to contain heavily ML posts (the kulaks deserved it, North Korea is the freest state in the world, etc) in their own subs while allowing commenting everywhere. Get used to seeing liberalism on main if you want this site to grow. That's a good sign, it means the pipeline is reopening.
we have a /c/marxism, you're just not subscribed to it or it'd be on the top section of "communities" for you.
libs can post whatever they want so long as it's not reactionary, the fact that you want to heavily moderate and isolate ML posts more than liberalism is not going to be a good move for 'growing this site.' libs have their own spots they post in, like twitter and reddit. censoring the most active user base here will have the opposite effect on user numbers that you think it will have. there is no real way to grow this site towards libs, because reddit has destroyed the idea of what an internet forum is, but libs sit so close to the peg that they haven't noticed, and there is no incentive to leave if that's where they belong.
edit: there's a bit of parenti in there if you look for it hard enough :putin-wink:
I agree we need more lib or at least SocDem exposure and certain "Tankie" habits may need to be curtailed. I just disagree with having mods repress Tankieposting to achieve it.
Engage with your Tankie comrades. Explain what it takes to draw people in, when to hit them with insults, etc. Really, I think they have a problem with dismissing other tendencies when they have valid arguments they could make. "You don't like China" isn't an argument. "This is a Trotksyist site" isn't an argument. " This is why Stalin and China are good actually" is an argument.
We need some revised interpretation of the code of conduct. Include tendency protections. Maybe allow sectarianism a bit more? Idk. I've had some joking bits get taken down by mods and I feel like that's constraining humour, while not addressing the hostile sectarianism. Kind of attacking that classic Chapo vibe from both ends.
There's still a significant population of gleefully sectarian folks who are not bothered if their attacks are removed 3-12 hours later, since they know it's already done it's job.
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