I'm not arguing that children aren't forced to wear it. I'm Muslim and Roma, so headcoverings and extreme modesty are very enforced in my culture as well. I have seen a lot of the effects of it myself and with friends/family. But I do think a law like that would target Muslims and gypsies, as some of our kids wear a headscarf (not for modesty sake but it's a different tradition entriely). I don't know, I see it only going bad to have any laws regarding hijab in Europe. Maybe in an ideal world where Europeans aren't racist and islamophobic, but we aren't in that world. And then to even be fair, you'd have to extend the law to Christians who force modesty onto their kids even in lesser ways (forcing girls to wear only skirts, no shorts, no tank tops, etc and being told they'll burn in hell too if they don't comply). Would you agree those parents too should be punished under the law? Because it would be the same type of abuse, but white people won't see it that way. Only the bad people (Muslims and other nonwhite cultures) will be punished by such a law.
But again, as a Roma, i am so used to seeing our children taken away under false accusations of child abuse, so i am... weary of many laws.
Would you agree those parents too should be punished under the law?
I mean if it was only up to me then of course. But I think there is a huge gulf between being forced to cover one's satr, which even in the most liberal interpretation is one's whole body except for the hands, and being forced to wear more restrictive clothing. But I think I understand your point, which is that the enforcement of such a law will not be just, especially when the there is systematic prejudice at play, and that certainly makes sense. My perspective is narrow in this case, since I have not lived in the west.
The reason I am so adamant about it simply because from my experience somehow stopping people from being able to force this on children would save so many people, maybe not so many in the west.
Ah, yes I feel perhaps in countries where Muslims are the majority, such a law or idea would be more fitting. Or at least less likely to fuel oppression. I don't disagree that it could be a good idea as something to be enforced or considered, just moreso in the West (especially Europe) it would end up only in oppressing Muslims and others further.
But I appreciate your perspective on all this as well. It is a lot different in Eastern countries for sure, and I wouldn't have as many arguments against it if it wasn't in the context of a white-majority country if that makes sense.
I'm not arguing that children aren't forced to wear it. I'm Muslim and Roma, so headcoverings and extreme modesty are very enforced in my culture as well. I have seen a lot of the effects of it myself and with friends/family. But I do think a law like that would target Muslims and gypsies, as some of our kids wear a headscarf (not for modesty sake but it's a different tradition entriely). I don't know, I see it only going bad to have any laws regarding hijab in Europe. Maybe in an ideal world where Europeans aren't racist and islamophobic, but we aren't in that world. And then to even be fair, you'd have to extend the law to Christians who force modesty onto their kids even in lesser ways (forcing girls to wear only skirts, no shorts, no tank tops, etc and being told they'll burn in hell too if they don't comply). Would you agree those parents too should be punished under the law? Because it would be the same type of abuse, but white people won't see it that way. Only the bad people (Muslims and other nonwhite cultures) will be punished by such a law.
But again, as a Roma, i am so used to seeing our children taken away under false accusations of child abuse, so i am... weary of many laws.
I mean if it was only up to me then of course. But I think there is a huge gulf between being forced to cover one's satr, which even in the most liberal interpretation is one's whole body except for the hands, and being forced to wear more restrictive clothing. But I think I understand your point, which is that the enforcement of such a law will not be just, especially when the there is systematic prejudice at play, and that certainly makes sense. My perspective is narrow in this case, since I have not lived in the west.
The reason I am so adamant about it simply because from my experience somehow stopping people from being able to force this on children would save so many people, maybe not so many in the west.
Ah, yes I feel perhaps in countries where Muslims are the majority, such a law or idea would be more fitting. Or at least less likely to fuel oppression. I don't disagree that it could be a good idea as something to be enforced or considered, just moreso in the West (especially Europe) it would end up only in oppressing Muslims and others further.
But I appreciate your perspective on all this as well. It is a lot different in Eastern countries for sure, and I wouldn't have as many arguments against it if it wasn't in the context of a white-majority country if that makes sense.
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