You changed the argument from "it isnt cruel" to "what if you had to eat a fish to survive". I'm making fun of you because this shit is extremely tired.
I know that's exactly what I asked, you can read my initial comment. I said millions of people rely on fishing to earn a living, so I don't see how it is cruel? Also I don't understand why you are being so hostile to me.
But for 99.9% of people, it isnt necessary.
I am certain that's not true. What if I told you there are millions and millions of fishermen just in my country who rely on fishing for survival? And that they don't have any other options. I am just relaying my personal experience and trying to understand yours. I do understand that this is not what fishing is by and large in developed countries, where things have been industrialized to a harmful degree, but to deny there aren't millions and millions of fishermen all over the world who need to fish for a living is wrong.
How am I denying anything? All I said is fishing is cruel... not "wrong". Everyone here is already aware that pretty much everyone everywhere has to contribute to something awful in order to make money, and that's a completely seperate issue. Fishing and eating fish is not necessary for our health and well being, we do it because fish tastes good so theres a market for that. I'm not saying fuck people who fish, if anything vegans are saying the opposite since fishing is so dangerous to the people doing it, and damaging to the environments humans occupy. As if I should hate people forced work in slaughterhouses only to have their hands cut off and permanent ptsd.
I never claimed you are denying anything, I was just trying to understand your perspective on the matter, and I was presenting my perspective, and my perspective is that fishing is not cruel when people are fishing to earn a living, of course factory fishing excluded. When you replied to me by saying that I should put a hook in my mouth to understand why fishing is cruel, I thought you are saying that human lives have as much value as fish lives. I misunderstood, so apologies.
Everyone here is already aware that pretty much everyone everywhere has to contribute to something awful in order to make money, and that’s a completely seperate issue.
Ok, that is good to know and this is where probably the misunderstanding is stemming from. I am not very well acquainted with the culture of this site and what is considered common knowledge and what is not. Which is why I was simply trying to understand what the person who said fishing is cruel meant, that's all. I hope that's the end of the misunderstanding. Your clarification if much appreciated, and I agree with it too.
Sure try to change the argument
There's no argument, I am just trying to understand everyone's perspective. Surely it's ok for a human to eat a fish for survival?
WHAT IF YOU WERE ON AN ISLAND HUH????
I don't understand.
You changed the argument from "it isnt cruel" to "what if you had to eat a fish to survive". I'm making fun of you because this shit is extremely tired.
No, I think you misunderstood. What I am saying is how can it be cruel when people need to fish to survive?
Well that's not what you asked and it can obviously be cruel and necessary. But for 99.9% of people, it isnt necessary.
I know that's exactly what I asked, you can read my initial comment. I said millions of people rely on fishing to earn a living, so I don't see how it is cruel? Also I don't understand why you are being so hostile to me.
I am certain that's not true. What if I told you there are millions and millions of fishermen just in my country who rely on fishing for survival? And that they don't have any other options. I am just relaying my personal experience and trying to understand yours. I do understand that this is not what fishing is by and large in developed countries, where things have been industrialized to a harmful degree, but to deny there aren't millions and millions of fishermen all over the world who need to fish for a living is wrong.
How am I denying anything? All I said is fishing is cruel... not "wrong". Everyone here is already aware that pretty much everyone everywhere has to contribute to something awful in order to make money, and that's a completely seperate issue. Fishing and eating fish is not necessary for our health and well being, we do it because fish tastes good so theres a market for that. I'm not saying fuck people who fish, if anything vegans are saying the opposite since fishing is so dangerous to the people doing it, and damaging to the environments humans occupy. As if I should hate people forced work in slaughterhouses only to have their hands cut off and permanent ptsd.
I never claimed you are denying anything, I was just trying to understand your perspective on the matter, and I was presenting my perspective, and my perspective is that fishing is not cruel when people are fishing to earn a living, of course factory fishing excluded. When you replied to me by saying that I should put a hook in my mouth to understand why fishing is cruel, I thought you are saying that human lives have as much value as fish lives. I misunderstood, so apologies.
Ok, that is good to know and this is where probably the misunderstanding is stemming from. I am not very well acquainted with the culture of this site and what is considered common knowledge and what is not. Which is why I was simply trying to understand what the person who said fishing is cruel meant, that's all. I hope that's the end of the misunderstanding. Your clarification if much appreciated, and I agree with it too.
Sorry for my unnecessary hostility, I assumed you were one of the fuck vegans people here, which seems to be almost everyone.