Spent last night arguing with my liberal friends about Dems failing to pass min wage. Argued from the center left. Said Dem leadership needs to get its shit together and start getting the party in line. Otherwise theyre getting bodied in 2022 and never getting back in. They flipped out on me. Saying I was advocating for them to be just like Trump and the republicans.

Ive genuinely given up on them. I just dont get it. I dont know what to do. We're all queer and disabled. One of them constantly goes to protests and participates in her community. This wasn't even one of my hard left points. Like how the Dems are all psychos. Or the entire system is rigged. It was a genuine good faith argument about how the Dems need to change or we're gonna die. Im at a loss. How can you fix this?

  • MarxistHedonism [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    This is what happens when you don’t have an ideology. They think Republicans are bad because they bend and break the rules, not because of their beliefs.

    So to them, Democrats doing everything possible to get something good is the same as Republicans doing whatever it takes to get something bad. Just bring the Muslim ban to a floor vote like adults!

    I really don’t know if you can get people to see through their defensiveness because it as sad when you realize there is no one in politics with the will to make things better. There might be a few, but they don’t have much power and also haven’t been willing to use every tool.

    I think maybe the most useful argument is historical rebellions and disruption of the political process that history considers good. Things like the American Revolution, underground networks opposing Nazi Germany, and the Emancipation Proclamation (this was a pretty large overreach from the president but inarguably the right call). FDR also bent the rules a lot to get the New Deal done.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      This is what happens when you don’t have an ideology.

      If only that were the problem...