Spent last night arguing with my liberal friends about Dems failing to pass min wage. Argued from the center left. Said Dem leadership needs to get its shit together and start getting the party in line. Otherwise theyre getting bodied in 2022 and never getting back in. They flipped out on me. Saying I was advocating for them to be just like Trump and the republicans.
Ive genuinely given up on them. I just dont get it. I dont know what to do. We're all queer and disabled. One of them constantly goes to protests and participates in her community. This wasn't even one of my hard left points. Like how the Dems are all psychos. Or the entire system is rigged. It was a genuine good faith argument about how the Dems need to change or we're gonna die. Im at a loss. How can you fix this?
Biggest challenge I’ve run into with family (both Lib and conservative) is that I will never have enough time or access to them to deprogram them. Any conversation I have that seems to make progress will be washed away by the time I see them again. Their cohabitants and the news/entertainment they consume keeps them totally engulfed in their original worldview.
This, i've spent so much time talking to coworkers about labor value and class warfare and most of them agree. But then a week later they're showing me Biden's new cat and saying "we just need to give him time, he just started after all". Its like they only listen to the last thing they heard.
This is such a good point. I’ve had good progress with my friends who I live with, who I talk to every day. Some are genuinely really interested in communism now. But if you’re only seeing someone a few times a month, it’s really difficult to convince them of anything. Propaganda works 24/7, and it’s not easy to compete with it. Less so if someone isn’t willing to think against the grain already.
Same here, my mom will be agreeing with me on stuff and then a week later text me like “the Democrats are being communists” or something like I give up