As communists we should never defend the EU as it is a tool for neoliberalism, but we should also be cautions on exiting it, seen as many countries, mostly southern european ones, would be even worst off outside than inside, mostly for monetary and economical reasons, which would mean even more austerity if not under a leftist government.
As for an Hypotetical disbandment I don't think we should be worried yet considering that for many countries it is still usefull for their growth, but as soon as this changes we'll see a lot more euroskepticism even from the libs
if not under a leftist government.
This is key. Had Greece not been in the EU, SYRIZA's reforms would have almost definitely been vastly more comprehensive without the Euro, SGP and German banks being held over them.
Definitely, but they would have been able to do more than they did and at least averted the terrible collapse there.
In the meantime, I guess we can see it as a potentially useful vessel for collaboration between the left in various countries and as yet another electoral platform to spread our message, like the far right did these last decades.
That's a good point, hopefully we get to see a pan-european leftist Movement advance opportunistically, that kind.
It will be hard to get away from the eu either way, as its so important economically and leaving, as seen by the example of the uk is a nightmare. Additionally it is a great tool to prevent inner-european wars, as many of the eu programs work as shared investions. The main problems are the influential power of corps and the defacto control over the european countries and the partly cirvumvention of the countries constitutions. And the only cases where it cant control countries is when keeping the fash under control (hungary and poland). Also the thesis that the eu is just a tool of german imperialism (i would personally add most of the northern european countries to that) is quite strongly supported by evidence.
Overall the eu is a neoliberal shitshow, thats terrible for european democracy and is way to heavily controlled through multinational corps and can to easily cirvumvent national constitution. Additionally it suffers from the same problem as the un when it comes to keeping fash at bay, cause of single country vetoing being that powerful. Whats great about the eu is how it lowers risk of armed conflicts in europe.
The main problem i see is, that its suicidal to leave as a single country. Another relevant thing is, that the only countries that are trying to leave are doing so because of nationalism, as there is nearly no powerful enough leftist euro-critic groups to really have relevant influence at all. So for now it looks more realistic to me to try and influence the way the eu works. Additionally though, we need to create an eu wide (or atleast in many countries at the same time) euro-critic leftists movement, so that when the times or need comes, a lot of countries can leave at the same time and instantly start a better alternative to the eu instead of suicidally solo-leaving.
Edit: plus, i dont want to return to nationalist europe at all, the risk for armed conflict would skyrocket and we dont need wars in europe, they'd destroy the economy and more importantly european relations for decades!
We should support its existance for the moment bit dont let expand it (military,more monetary cohesion,etc)and when the left has enought power we must exit
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
- The whole of EU has a powerful left, in which sense I am not sure there is any point in leaving anymore
- Any country that manages to turn to the left should exit the EU as soon as it does? Might leave these countries very vulnerable
1 by the left i mean marxists not soc dem liberals.incase they have the popular support they will not have space to move in a neoliberal structure that will try to get them out one way or another. 2 Not exactly as soon a , they should be prepared to the consecuences and try to exit at the same time as other countries in the same path.
Pd: have to say we must acknowledge the good things of the eu like free movement and that we had not been in war one with another without looking at the other way on how the they fucked the south
I Recommend reading varufakis books about the eu
The EU sucks but it's better then not having a European government kind of thing and I'll support the EU until there is a chance to do something better.
