The struggle then becomes how do we instill punishment to those who break the new laws post-revolution?
There are still ways labor can be done, but in ways that benefit either society, themselves or what have you. Give them actual living conditions, away from society maybe for safety, but still have education, free time, and are treated like human beings that either need help or a push in the right direction.
The Anarchist in me says exile from polite society (while still providing basic necessities) for major crimes. Minor crimes I don't have an answer for, but prison slavery isn't the answer.
In an ideal society, things like trash pick-up would still happen, but on a more horizontal field.
Exactly. I know there are ways to still have some type of punishment for crimes, while still treating people humanely and in actual conditions. Not like prisons now and certainly not like prison slavery.
Yeah I agree, maybe these were more socially accepted back then but now we know better and should strive to do better. Taking care of these people at least as a first resort would probably do more for them than forcing them to do hard labor. And if they must work then its probably better to treat them well while they work like if they were a cashier at a restaurant being paid normal wages instead of being basically a slave
I would encourage you to look into prison abolition. I think there's a disconnect between us here, even though we fundamentally agree on the same thing.
If labor is done as punishment in a socialist society
Good post, but this isn't even necessary to make working a punishment, people tend naturally to want to be productive, giving people opportunities to work and they'll generally take them. Any rehabilitation program in a communist society needs to restrict as few freedoms as necessary to keep everyone safe.
wasn't/isn't forced labour a normal form of punishment in prison?
Yes, that's why prisons must be done away with.
The struggle then becomes how do we instill punishment to those who break the new laws post-revolution?
There are still ways labor can be done, but in ways that benefit either society, themselves or what have you. Give them actual living conditions, away from society maybe for safety, but still have education, free time, and are treated like human beings that either need help or a push in the right direction.
The Anarchist in me says exile from polite society (while still providing basic necessities) for major crimes. Minor crimes I don't have an answer for, but prison slavery isn't the answer.
In an ideal society, things like trash pick-up would still happen, but on a more horizontal field.
Exactly. I know there are ways to still have some type of punishment for crimes, while still treating people humanely and in actual conditions. Not like prisons now and certainly not like prison slavery.
Prison on weekends only
Yeah like jeffrey Epstein
Yeah, but Epstein would be tried in the people's courts and executed, I'm taking about humans
Yeah I agree, maybe these were more socially accepted back then but now we know better and should strive to do better. Taking care of these people at least as a first resort would probably do more for them than forcing them to do hard labor. And if they must work then its probably better to treat them well while they work like if they were a cashier at a restaurant being paid normal wages instead of being basically a slave
I would encourage you to look into prison abolition. I think there's a disconnect between us here, even though we fundamentally agree on the same thing.
Thanks I will
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Good post, but this isn't even necessary to make working a punishment, people tend naturally to want to be productive, giving people opportunities to work and they'll generally take them. Any rehabilitation program in a communist society needs to restrict as few freedoms as necessary to keep everyone safe.
Yes.