So, in that event, is the idea to just hope that a revolution will break out instead?

Yeah, yeah organize too, but revolution is ultimately the desired final conclusion from said organizing, is it not?

Call me a doomer or whatever, but odds are that ain't gonna happen any time in the foreseeable future, things are gonna have to get way, waaayyy worse before it's even a realistic possibility imo.

Not to say organizing should be completely abandoned in favor of electoralism either, of course not, it just feels foolish to me to give up on either lane.

To me, it feels like the best course of action would be to pursue both at the same time until one or both leads to success. To increase our chances/odds by pursuing 2 avenues instead of putting all of our metaphorical eggs in one basket.

Basically I'm saying we should keep both options open instead of limiting our scope, and chances of success with it.

I guess you could say I'm a big-brained centrist on this issue.

  • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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    4 years ago

    from below but I think you should see this

    The truth of the matter is we exist in the belly of the beast, in the very center of the imperial core. You will not like hearing this as liberals never do and never accept it but the US is unlikely to succumb to socialism, it will probably be one of the last places that does. However it holds back global revolution. The duty therefore of us is to sabotage it. It is to build anti-war, anti-intervention sentiment, it is to cause it to flounder and flub, to destroy its alliances, to cause internal tensions so it cannot maintain proper global domination. This does not carry the reward of healthcare for all. But you weren’t going to win that anyways and if you did it would come with a devil’s bargain for even more extreme imperialism and brutality against the rest of the world, it would come with a demand of more extreme nationalism at home.

    This is probably the most realistic take that will keep people from getting depressed over electoral losses.

    Since the US and US-based corps have such a massive stranglehold on the political and economic systems in place, the best thing to do is agitation. Radicalize your workplace even if you can't form a union, get your co-workers aware that they are the reason business can continue and that if they push back en masse they can demand material improvements (start a secret slack/discord/email chain / Bridgefy or Briar mesh network, etc); talk to your neighbors, empathize with their struggles to pay rent support each other, then try forming tenants unions (and also set up comms); share theory with friends but not in a pedantic "well actually Marx said x" but listen to their problems and offer casually worded responses based in theory

    And figure out who is doing good work in your state/city/town/parish/etc and support them (only vote for who's doing a good job, if nobody then don't vote, do the above stuff); go watch city council meetings about schools reopening, see who has bad takes (hybrid models, no mask no testing requirements, etc) and who's asking good questions (need for increased funding, necessary ppe, special needs/disability/impoverished/homeless student support).

    These are things that you can do and that do actually help people and are outside the electoral system.