My main issue with vegan struggle sessions is that it affirms my hesitance to associate with other vegans because they come in incredible hostile and aggressive to literally any space upending anything to make a point in such a way that makes everyone roll their eyes at them. Not because veganism isn't the morally correct position to take (it is) but because online vegans haven't found a way to overcome their inability to speak to others like they're on the comment section of a Youtube video and end up invalidating any point they could've made by acting like a fool.
Like I'm not going to defend someone who equates animal liberation on the same level with black civil rights or palestinian liberation at a meeting that is comprised almost entirely of black/hispanic/palestinian people talking about the links between palestinian and black liberation like someone I know IRL tried to do and go shouted down (rightfully I might add) when the PoC in the meeting either looked uncomfortable or offended since what it sounded like they were being equated to animals with all the racial baggage that it carries.
Learn to talk to other people and maybe people may be more amendable. Bullying only works on people just as online as you are, and that doesn't encompass as many people as you think, that's why people tend to reject you and your messaging based not on its content but on its delivery.
We all know better than this on every other topic.
Not if you're telling black and brown people that saving chickens from the slaughterhouse is on the same level as their fear of being shot on the street, as in the example I used.
maybe i dont know how 'convincing people' works but my gut reaction to 'should we let civility get in the way of actually doing something' was not becoming as unapproachable, unattractive and generally repugnant as possible
Like I'm not going to defend someone who equates animal liberation on the same level with black civil rights or palestinian liberation at a meeting that is comprised almost entirely of black/hispanic/palestinian people talking about the links between palestinian and black liberation like someone I know IRL tried to do and go shouted down (rightfully I might add) when the PoC in the meeting either looked uncomfortable or offended since what it sounded like they were being equated to animals with all the racial baggage that it carries.
im just going to spam this emote and create a silly strawman of their argument which totally makes me right, which ironically makes me the exact person the emoji was made to critique but im not going to think about that. That'll show 'em
While veganism is good and superior to eating meat, I agree, like, this is not a great way to spread the practice and convince others of that. Like, even among vegans it's not a consensus that animal lives and human lives are 1:1, in all contexts. So going off that logical assumption and then straight to declaring animal processing the worst genocide of all time, worse than the Holocaust, is going to throw people off lol.
My main issue with vegan struggle sessions is that it affirms my hesitance to associate with other vegans because they come in incredible hostile and aggressive to literally any space upending anything to make a point in such a way that makes everyone roll their eyes at them. Not because veganism isn't the morally correct position to take (it is) but because online vegans haven't found a way to overcome their inability to speak to others like they're on the comment section of a Youtube video and end up invalidating any point they could've made by acting like a fool.
Like I'm not going to defend someone who equates animal liberation on the same level with black civil rights or palestinian liberation at a meeting that is comprised almost entirely of black/hispanic/palestinian people talking about the links between palestinian and black liberation like someone I know IRL tried to do and go shouted down (rightfully I might add) when the PoC in the meeting either looked uncomfortable or offended since what it sounded like they were being equated to animals with all the racial baggage that it carries.
Learn to talk to other people and maybe people may be more amendable. Bullying only works on people just as online as you are, and that doesn't encompass as many people as you think, that's why people tend to reject you and your messaging based not on its content but on its delivery.
Pure civility brain. You know better than this. We all know better than this on every other topic.
Not if you're telling black and brown people that saving chickens from the slaughterhouse is on the same level as their fear of being shot on the street, as in the example I used.
maybe i dont know how 'convincing people' works but my gut reaction to 'should we let civility get in the way of actually doing something' was not becoming as unapproachable, unattractive and generally repugnant as possible
Standing up for the oppressed and speaking out against their oppressors is "generally repugnant"
Do you think this kind of behavior is ok?
I think being an asshole and then making fun of people who call you an asshole makes you an asshole
On one side: being an asshole
On the other side: genocide on a literally unimaginable scale
Yeah I'm just really concerned about civility
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While veganism is good and superior to eating meat, I agree, like, this is not a great way to spread the practice and convince others of that. Like, even among vegans it's not a consensus that animal lives and human lives are 1:1, in all contexts. So going off that logical assumption and then straight to declaring animal processing the worst genocide of all time, worse than the Holocaust, is going to throw people off lol.
no but its also the slave trade and if you dislike that comparison you're reactionary scum