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Removed by modthe sooner carnists just admit that they're evil and morally bankrupt for eating meat, the sooner these struggle sessions will finally end
i should know i'm one of them
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i should know i'm one of them
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in this trying time?
I didn't mean to start a struggle session, I just thought the meme was extra dank.
The nuclear hellfire could have been prevented if hexbearian
omnivorescarnists had just watched the minion. Change my mind.spoiler
Huge numbers of Hexbears pretending they're not
while simultaneously doing the exact same "Oh you're vegan? I'm going to eat extra meat because of you" shitMy main issue with vegan struggle sessions is that it affirms my hesitance to associate with other vegans because they come in incredible hostile and aggressive to literally any space upending anything to make a point in such a way that makes everyone roll their eyes at them. Not because veganism isn't the morally correct position to take (it is) but because online vegans haven't found a way to overcome their inability to speak to others like they're on the comment section of a Youtube video and end up invalidating any point they could've made by acting like a fool.
Like I'm not going to defend someone who equates animal liberation on the same level with black civil rights or palestinian liberation at a meeting that is comprised almost entirely of black/hispanic/palestinian people talking about the links between palestinian and black liberation like someone I know IRL tried to do and go shouted down (rightfully I might add) when the PoC in the meeting either looked uncomfortable or offended since what it sounded like they were being equated to animals with all the racial baggage that it carries.
Learn to talk to other people and maybe people may be more amendable. Bullying only works on people just as online as you are, and that doesn't encompass as many people as you think, that's why people tend to reject you and your messaging based not on its content but on its delivery.
Pure civility brain. You know better than this. We all know better than this on every other topic.
We all know better than this on every other topic.
Not if you're telling black and brown people that saving chickens from the slaughterhouse is on the same level as their fear of being shot on the street, as in the example I used.
maybe i dont know how 'convincing people' works but my gut reaction to 'should we let civility get in the way of actually doing something' was not becoming as unapproachable, unattractive and generally repugnant as possible
Standing up for the oppressed and speaking out against their oppressors is "generally repugnant"
Like I'm not going to defend someone who equates animal liberation on the same level with black civil rights or palestinian liberation at a meeting that is comprised almost entirely of black/hispanic/palestinian people talking about the links between palestinian and black liberation like someone I know IRL tried to do and go shouted down (rightfully I might add) when the PoC in the meeting either looked uncomfortable or offended since what it sounded like they were being equated to animals with all the racial baggage that it carries.
Do you think this kind of behavior is ok?
I think being an asshole and then making fun of people who call you an asshole makes you an asshole
On one side: being an asshole
On the other side: genocide on a literally unimaginable scale
Yeah I'm just really concerned about civility
your last few comments:
im just going to spam this emote and create a silly strawman of their argument which totally makes me right, which ironically makes me the exact person the emoji was made to critique but im not going to think about that. That'll show 'emWhile veganism is good and superior to eating meat, I agree, like, this is not a great way to spread the practice and convince others of that. Like, even among vegans it's not a consensus that animal lives and human lives are 1:1, in all contexts. So going off that logical assumption and then straight to declaring animal processing the worst genocide of all time, worse than the Holocaust, is going to throw people off lol.
no but its also the slave trade and if you dislike that comparison you're reactionary scum
This is what @take_five_seconds@hexbear.net is referring to :)
The struggle sessions will keep going until the reactionaries get banned. Imagine how shitty this site would be if racists or transphobes just got their comments removed and were allowed to keep on posting the same shit for days and weeks and months on end.
yes people who eat meat are basically the same as being racist or transphobic?????
have fun in your little purity crusade
You've had your comments removed for going on ridiculous anti-vegan tirades like 5 times in completely separate threads now separated by months
Wtf does it take for you to get banned???
I'm not being anti vegan? I'm not doing that am I? I have not said anything anti vegan. I just dislike the comparison of 'carnists' to people who want to kill me for being a woman. Don't try to take me out of context. I am disagreeing with you not veganism.
Not respecting the sentience of other species is quite literally the same.
i love how people who hate my existence are just as evil as someone who doesn't care about eating a McRib
meat eating is bad but I don't think im going to compare them to people who don't want me to exist as I truly am
Imagine how shitty this site would be if racists or transphobes just got their comments removed and were allowed to keep on posting the same shit for days and weeks and months on end.
remembers the racist/imperialist comments vegans made in the first struggle session
Yeah that'd be terrible.
hi I'm here to whine about some shit that happened 3 years ago when the site was run by completely different people, I'm sure this is relevant to a user who's been here for 3 months and is posting about an ongoing conflict
Wtf is your problem
did the anti-natalist weirdo finally get banned?
I'm waiting for someone to notice that bears eat fish and rally to remove the Hexbear name and logos and change it to Hexbean
I'm 99.9% sure you're doing a bit, but just in case you aren't, vegans are not opposed to animals eating animals.
Well shouldn't they be?? I imagine it causes rather a lot of suffering
Unless you wanna go full "no life should ever exist because all life is suffering", no. We vegans care about the suffering humans cause, because that suffering is entirely unnecessary. And so, so destructive to the planet and to the people who work in animal ag.
not to nitpick but while industrialized agriculture is a parasite to the world and humans, we did animal husbandry just fine for tens of thousands of years
Oh, by the way, I never did reply to you about plant milks, because the thread got locked. Plant milks are basically perfect replacements for cow milk. You can bake with them exactly as you would with cow milk and they work precisely as you'd expect. Eggs are the one that's harder to replace in baking, although even there you can find replacements, it's just that you need different replacements for different contexts and functions.
I assume this was about my brownie thread, I forgot the black bean brownie recipe location but if ya want I can look.
I do actually love that, although plant milks can be a hit an miss I've not heard of anyone with a soy allergy (although im a bit allergic to almonds, nothing serious but its annoying) so I think going in a plant milk direction is just better for everyone involved. Although im not going to harp on individuals that don't.
Eggs seem about right, although are there ethical ways to keep egg production? Asking since its such a hassle to replace them. Although I would like to eat my cookie batter without chance of salmonella.
Its going to be a weird and wonderful world of discovery and change, if we ever get there.
Eggs seem about right, although are there ethical ways to keep egg production? Asking since its such a hassle to replace them.
not at industrial scale, part of the problem with chicken farming is the selective breeding has created birds that have too many eggs to stay healthy which can't be solved by any amount of free-range.
Maybe we can do some wacko scifi shit like deliberately encepha- i don't remember the term- where the animal only has autonomic systems and never grew enough brain to suffer. Those actually would be Descartes's meat robots but I'm sure people would find that sort of genetic engineering distasteful even if the assumptions baked into the idea pan out. Maybe i'm overcomplicating it and you could just 3D-print genes into gametes and form the eggs in an artificial whatever macro eggs form in, i'm not a chicken doctor.
not at industrial scale, part of the problem with chicken farming is the selective breeding has created birds that have too many eggs to stay healthy which can't be solved by any amount of free-range.
thats horrible, god damn what.
Maybe we can do some wacko scifi shit like deliberately encepha- i don't remember the term- where the animal only has autonomic systems and never grew enough brain to suffer. Those actually would be Descartes's meat robots but I'm sure people would find that sort of genetic engineering distasteful even if the assumptions baked into the idea pan out. Maybe i'm overcomplicating it and you could just 3D-print genes into gametes and form the eggs in an artificial whatever macro eggs form in, i'm not a chicken doctor.
I really think no one would like having brainless animals be their food, it sounds too unnatural. I wonder what the future holds in these kinds of sciences. What will happen if we can grow meat and eggs in a lab or normal setting without any animal abuse, we could alter the meat to be healthy and then the problems with it could be fixed. Although it seems like a lot of effort for things that can be replaced in any socialist future.
I really think no one would like having brainless animals be their food, it sounds too unnatural. I wonder what the future holds in these kinds of sciences. What will happen if we can grow meat and eggs in a lab or normal setting without any animal abuse, we could alter the meat to be healthy and then the problems with it could be fixed. Although it seems like a lot of effort for things that can be replaced in any socialist future.
yeah a rack of anencephalic (looked it up lol) animals would be a shocking sight since our only frame of reference would be a situation where the animals are capable of suffering.
Ok, that's fine. We can't go back to that now, the earth is too fucked and there are too many people eating too much meat to produce all we need without industrial animal ag. So I fail to see why it matters that (most) animal husbandry wasn't environmentally destructive.
truth, we must evolve. sorry, i was doing a kneejerk nitpick, carry on comrade.
Animals who are carnivores, unlike humans, will actually die if they don't eat meat. I'm pretty sure.
No it fucking doesn't. I have never heard a single vegan say anything about being opposed to animals eating animals. What I have heard is carnists (wrongly) insisting we must be.
Maybe, but it's not a bit that's very funny. The "joke" is that vegans are such bleeding hearts that we want patently ridiculous things like getting rid of every predator. This allows carnists to ignore vegan critiques more easily, because why would you listen to someone who doesn't understand that predation is just a part of life for many animals?
Never said it was a funny bit, our posters are hit and miss with this lol. Wait people actually think that about vegans? Weird. Well liberals aren't known for having too many smart arguments.
You mean a notoriously polarised topic that has had inflamed arguments for decades preceding the internet hasn't been solved in three years on Hexbear??? Left unity failing
A tale as old as time
A song as old as rhyme
Trolley and the Bean
"man, everyone out there is pissing in a big trough," i say, while pissing in a separate toilet
you devious bastard you just moved the struggle session
Did anyone prominent get banned this time or is it just one of those rehashed struggle sessions where nothing substantial happens? So far, I've seen this person get banned, but they got banned for being some antinatalist freak in the middle of some vegan struggle session, so they don't count.
Its just a rehashed struggle session, hence people in the original thread making backhanded "containment" comments
It's just kind of the same arguments that pop up when the vegan struggle sess flares up periodically.
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