Yes, the Middle East has always been cursed to be a region infested with religious zealots. Don’t look into the British and American empires (plus Israel itself) doing everything they could to empower fundamentalists and discredit secular socialists, liberals and nationalists (as far back as the British-backed ousting of a reformist Afghan monarch). Don’t look at what the Palestinians had and have to say about coexistence.
Also, sure is coincidental that they’re using the same bad faith argument Jim Crow and Apartheid defenders used to claim: that dismantling oppressive systems would lead to a bloodbath by “savages” against former oppressor populations.
They're right secular states in the Middle East have always failed - just look at what happened to Libya and Iraq. Don't even get me started on Iran. /s
Marx and Engels fundraising to send guns to the ottoman empire because they knew what a shit show this would become.
For Marx, it was more about getting back at Ru⚡⚡ia.
techbro ✅
✅Doesn't know what happened in 1953 to a certain democratic secular middle-east state ✅
You don't understand bro Mossadegh was a commie-loving dictator bro we had to empower an egregiously-corrupt absolute monarch bro
Look I'm pretty sure the Shah will never be overthrown in a sort of geopolitical blowback, so this is worth it.
and if it did happen it could be a great podcast topic
The Ottoman Empire was the only modern nation-state where it was explicitly legal to be gay before the 1960's, but okay. (1858, explicitly decriminalized in private, but better than any Anglo states)
These are the same liberals that just ate up an entire manufactured newscycle about Russian antisemitic savagery, never pausing to remember how they themselves cheered the destruction of communism throughout Europe and Central Asia. The USSR was a multinational secular state. Lenin could clearly articulate the conditions where antisemitism thrives and how it protects the interests of tyrants. Can a liberal do that? Fuck these people.
yeah, if only lebanon weren't the target of US imperial meddling and also regular military operations by hmmm wait
"we treat the palestinians completely fairly"
Okay, fine. You had your turn at showing the world what you thought religious equality should look like, now you get to switch places for the next 80 years. It's only fair.
Oh what, now it's a second holocaust? Gee what a fucking surprise, suddenly you understand your own history, it's a christmas miracle - sorry, too soon?
that dismantling oppressive systems would lead to a bloodbath by “savages” against former oppressor populations.
Liberals absolutely losing their shit and posting biggest Ls of all time lately on this
I've seen unprompted endorsement in the wild of not only "separate but equal" as a defense of the current arrangement but also a bonus rabid defense of the old racist chestnut of the "one drop rule" as to justifying why white European zionist colonizers are oppressed POC victims actually
Heightening contradictions, you say
So they admit that Israel has to commit genocide in order to stay homogeneous and "prosper"
