• happybadger [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Nothing more badass than losing every war you fight and failing to stop terrorism.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Me: Wonder what they mean by "cia democrat", I mean I know of a few obvious ones (e. g. ratboy)

    Me 2 minutes later: Jesus fucking Christ more literal war criminals!

  • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    On Friday, Politico reported that New York Democratic Congresswoman and Democratic Socialists of America member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez transferred $160,000 in campaign funds to a slate that includes “CIA Democrats”—right-wing congressional Democrats with intelligence and military backgrounds. Politico reported that the contributions were unsolicited and were aimed “to help keep the House majority ahead of a tough cycle.” While Politico only lists Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania, Elissa Slotkin of Michigan and Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia by name, it appears based on the report that Ocasio-Cortez donated $5,000 to each of 32 “frontline” candidates selected by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in high-profile midterm races.

    It looks like she donated to every Democratic candidate with a contested midterm, and "CIA Democrats" includes not just people with actual intelligence connections, but any candidate who was ever in the military.

    If any of these candidates have a primary challenger from the left, obviously they shouldn't be supported. But otherwise this is a non-issue at worst.

    • TrumanShow_IRL [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      she donated to every Democratic candidate with a contested midterm

      days since Trots are ultraleft CIA adjacent wreckers: zero

      • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        If there's a toll to Pelosi it's DCCC dues, which she doesn't pay. Choosing where her money goes is clearly better than just cutting Democrats a blank check, even if there's room to criticize her current appraoch.

        This is $5K each to reps who will face strong Republican challengers in 2022. Maybe some of those reps aren't worth supporting at all, but the DCCC could have easily taken her money and cut a $160K check to someone in a safe blue district who's facing a primary challenger from the left.

        • Anna_KOC [comrade/them]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          It's literally no different, she's still saving them that amount of money they can use to fund centrist primary challenges and that's 160k less she can use to fund other Rosa killers like her.

          • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Rosa killers like her

            I'm not sure this is going to help build a mass socialist movement.

              • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                "AOC killed Rosa" isn't a historical take; it's an ideological one. And insults from intraleftist feuds (from a century ago and a continent away) aren't going to accomplish anything in the U.S. in 2021.

                • Anna_KOC [comrade/them]
                  hexagon
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                  4 years ago

                  Wow I guess I have to spell it out, it's a historical fact that social democrats will always side with capital, and repeating that history sure as fuck isn't going to accomplish anything in the US in current year.

                  • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    "Social democrats will always side with capital" is also an ideological take. So is calling AOC -- a member of a democratic socialist org -- a social democrat. And of course, predicting AOC's future behavior is an ideological take.

                    • Anna_KOC [comrade/them]
                      hexagon
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                      4 years ago

                      It's a historical and dialectical take and she's already proven where her loyalties lie, how many other issues well she defer to the democratic Caucus on?

      • gammison [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Nothing, but the SEP leader was a serial assaulter so the line on the WSWS is that metoo is bourgeois cancel culture, so they defend weinstein, kevin spacey etc. I don't think what WSWS is saying here is true either. They're claiming that AOC purposefully donated to Elissa Slotkin, who iirc screamed at AOC and Rashida Tlaib on multiple congressional caucus phone calls for endorsing her primary opponent and generally being too left. What seems to have happened is that DCCC aides gave lawmakers’ wire transfer information to Ocasio-Cortez's aides who mass sent the money out. Slotkin has already insulted her again and said she's returning the money, as have two other conservative dems on that list. AOC and a bunch of other progressives don't even pay DCCC dues and actively speak out against it.

        • garbology [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Slotkin has already insulted her again and said she’s returning the money

          It would be hilarious if this was 5D chess, AOC paying her DCCC dues directly to Dems she knew would reject and return the money so she can say "well, I tried". Sadly, that's unlikely.

          What seems to have happened is that DCCC aides gave lawmakers’ wire transfer information to Ocasio-Cortez’s aides who mass sent the money out

          This is such a weird story.

        • modsarefascist [he/him]
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          edit-2
          4 years ago

          so they defend weinstein, kevin spacey etc

          jfc.......

          so this to me screams cia horseshit designed to make socialist look like loony toons, but maybe someone more knowledgeable on the org can explain further(and I mean just the one person doing it, not the whole site). seriously that's so fucking stupid, like say whatever you want about MeToo--obviously it was horseshit by bougie white "feminists" (ie. not feminists) that immediately stopped the second Tara Reade got in the news. But to defend Weinstein and the rest of the sex pests....what the fuck that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Only makes sense as a very stupid attempt at "haha see how crazy these socialists are!?"...

    • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      You can see the logic behind it: it's not a blank check to the DCCC, but it's not total opposition to the party, either. She's split this among a bunch of races that might go red in 2022. If she just cut a $160K check to the DCCC they could just as easily throw all that money at some candidate in a safe blue seat who's facing a primary challenger from the left.

      • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Nah, it makes perfect sense. AOC wants to protect the Democratic majority but doesn't want to harm left primary challengers. Because the DCCC funds centrist Dems against both progressives and Republicans, giving money to the DCCC would hurt the left. But giving money to centrist Dems in red seats who aren't facing left primary challengers protects the majority without harming the left. It's good politics.

    • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Nah it makes sense. If she gave money to the DCCC they could spend it however they want, including funding centrists over progressive primary challengers. By giving money to the candidates directly, she can both protect the majority without harming left primary challengers. This is smart politics.

      • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Ah that's an excellent point. She's supporting the Dems in vulnerable seats without hurting the left primary challengers in the safer seats

  • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    We can stop taking WSWS seriously after their last AOC article or the rape apologia or the class reductionism or literally anything else they do. Stop falling for every little bit of outrage news that confirms your priors.

    This is good politics and AOC should continue doing this. If the left wants to wield power they have to be in the majority. The money she's sending to frontline dems protects them from the GOP, not the left. AOC does not fund centrist Dems against leftist ones. She does not pay dues to the DCCC, an organization that actually does fund centrists against progressives. And if AOC started funding the DCCC, we can and should criticize her. The fact of the matter is that AOC and the left can only wield power in the majority, and thus it is in the left's interests to protect that majority.

    • Anna_KOC [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I can't believe there's still people like this on here lol what the fuck good is helping Dems when they're just going to side with the GOP? The left will never have a majority there, their only use as far as any socialists are concerned is to detonate the vest on must pass bills, otherwise they're just giving cover to capitalism.