outlander [any, any]

I really appreciate your good faith engagement with my post, I think its criticality important to develop a understanding of the history of the left and our past failures, I think the reason I posted this is a see a lot of new leftists diving head first into theory with out understanding its context and get baffled for years into various sects with out understanding how we got here. My aim with recommending that particular lash text is this text touches on how culture isn't just a epiphnenomnal things that comes out of the super structure of society but rather a reinforcing structure that we have to engage with. Its something I see a lot of new leftists really struggle with its not just enough to develope productive forces, it is all the creation of a political subjects that yearns for a new world and is empowered to do so, the job of leftist is to empower workers to be able to create that new society.

Theory stuff aside I really appreciate your effort with my engagement.

He was a leftist at one point and transitioned to the right in 88 his works on leftistism are still useful, I read everyone we shouldn't just assume we know everything or that Marxism is the only heuristic worth using, you should know this as a leftist. So it goes lmao are you fucking joking? I find this unserious we should be reading everyone and develop a Critical understanding and pull what is useful from them into our huertistic. I wonder who said ruthless criticism of all that exists. The leftists that don't know there own history is a critical mistake.

Listen i think you should think twice before asking random internet Marxists about options on China but here's a better question I'll pose are you deferring real serious inquiry into China as a way to not have to deal immediate task at hand where you live.

This aside you need to understand the history of the left in the last 70 years your gonna find three or four types of leftists in this thread,

Western Dengists that aren't directly connected to the Chinese socalist project they belive China is a socialist country and that you should generally trust the plan, some of them are trying to fuse mmt with Marxism.

Marcyites a type of trotskyist that is so soviet defencist they are pro stalin, they do decent interestingly enough from trotskis party in America rather indirectly, some of them are pro China for soviet nep reasons

ML(stalinist) a form of leninism that flows from the same vein as trotskyist Leninism, both sects claim to be the pure forn of leninism but is not historically related to the soviet government or its various Marxist lenists traditions they typically will hold mixed right and left opposition options in the ml tradition up until the purges. Sometimes pro China for nep reasons

Something to note very important to know the left has a established history since the 1920s of talking foreign policy and focusing on staning other countries when their political project is in crisis yet again read Christopher lashs agony of the American left. It ls almost critical you understand this before picking sides in any ideological debate around China.

Holy fuck right? Have you seen his hand writing ✍ by the nines, marx if I ever meet you in the after life I will force him to rewrite capital with emojis as punishment for capital volume one. I will make that insurable hegal watch.

I don't think this supports grabbers thesis a lot of bullshit jobs add value to the production process we saw in the tech lay off this year they rehired a bunch of them for more money after these realized they added so much value collectively they made operations profitable.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I understood gaebers thesis on bullshit jobs as a way for anarchists to match Marxist bouguous decadence theory, its something else too but i cant rember. like we have a medical industry that is more expensive then having single payer but decadence of having an insurance industry is hard for capital to over come.

I pray to the nines that your not referring to that accused book by gurrito called the western lefts purity fetish where he trys to make claims like the modern left is descendent of the helacltuis and then quotes everything in collected works to make it impossible to fact check him.

Very true its gonna take more time for the process to yield. Vs the states where its already starting if we don't let more people in.

Edit: one very important peice of nuance is the sheer size of china's population will be a problem unto its self. We are talking 1 billion people vs the usas 334 million it will be more difficult because of that alone.

Its funny to gawk at this, i don't think China and the usa can decouple in less then 10 years econmy wise, the wining move for China is simply not to play, the usa is currently forcing its own check mate by decoupling too late to mater both these countries cant decouple fast enough china's population contraction & youth unemplyeement is too high and the s.o.e. can't soak up the extra bodys both these countries are gonna deal with Armageddon in the form of climate change and generational collapse in population due to the respective baby booms only one of them has competent leadership, the other one is set up with insane untaped resources on a island with two friendly and subordinated countries with a world spaning trade block that can't solve easily fixable problems because of pure unfettered, maybe even unhinged, rank? Zombie liberal centrism that holds no natural base yet holds a gun to every Americans head driving everyone insane. screaming shiting on the floor and diping your respective genitals in a deep fryer at a Wendy's after being traped in mojo dojo casa house of pure ideology

Thanks for listening to my red talk

Mind if I drop you an episode on this exact problem. Its diving into the wreckage by antifada 7.2 varn log also has stunly good episosdes on christopor lash who documents what you experienced from the 1920s high recommend. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_j5Apq16mjFwYm53RtmNRkIMNe2yvSRQ/view?usp=drivesdk

To fortify this comment I think that assuming everyone is cia is form of conspiracy mind set, things have happened but for every successful coup you have two bay of pigs. I guess make of that what you will but also the democrats at the moment are more successful at derailing the left for the last 100 years then the cia could dream of.

This is interesting for historical reasons a lot of Marxist groups in America don't really understand you need an ethos before you can form a party program, in other words you need to form a political subject with local actios(cookouts, game night, some community action) before you can create a party and start doing party shit. Anarchists understand this better in America, I still find Marxists that think they get to impose a party platform on a community without understanding the point is to build a political subject that is able to understand its context and employee its own strategies and build a party program from the experience of becoming aware of captilisms unfreedoms and yearning to transcend it.

Yea i was ,i don't regret it.

It looks like Corrisont from starwars episode 2 where Vader is trying to get onto someone's hover car