• Grownbravy [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Celebrities dating teenagers, and getting married to 14 y/os was very common.

    Even Jerry seinfeld did that!

    I'm curious though, when we all agreed that this is a thing that should stop. Cause it's weird that we let this happen at all

    • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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      It's been a thing most people hated for a while. It was controversial when Seinfeld did it and controversial when Jerry Lee Lewis did it back in the 60's or whatever.

      Women just have an increasing amount of political power and American culture has gotten slightly less sexist.

      • Grownbravy [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        True, but they kept doing it.

        Jimmy page also had a 14 gf or fiance or something

        • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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          Yeah, my edit kind of speaks to that. Women didn't have as much political power and wealthy dudes have a long history of doing whatever fucked up shit they feel like.

          Example of increased political power:

          #MeToo did make an impact, even though it was sold out by the Democrats as soon as it looked like it was going to hold a figure they cared about accountable.

          Even then, predatory motherfuckers like Louis CK are still back and winning awards. We still have a long ways to go and a lot of bastards to guillotine.

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Sure, and Stalin too, but knowing reddit this is somewhat celebratory of that shit

      • Grownbravy [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Oh they really like to pick and choose who's it's okay to be doing that and who's it not.

        • RNAi [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          u/Martin_from_Utah: "Muslims are all redacted that marry children"

        • Civility [none/use name]
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          Montefiore, the man who wrote the book, is a published historian and was already rich, famous and connected at the time he wrote the book the claim was in. The claim wasn't the centrepiece of the book and it wasn't accompanied by any real larger propaganda push to tarnish Stalin's legacy, Montefiore had everything to lose if he was caught lying about or falsifying historical records and very little to gain by doing so.

          There were rumors at the time, that's a matter of public record, that were dismissed as baseless slander. Montefiore had access for the first time to unsealed Soviet records he says were about Beria investigating the rumors, finding out to his shock they were probably true and covering it up again. Montefiore did have access to previously sealed Soviet records about Stalin's personal life and the keepers of the records haven't contradicted him, nor have Stalin's family.

          There was a DNA test a few years later (one of Stalin's grandsons by Vasily volunteered) which corroborated Montefiorre's story.

          It's not a pleasant piece of history but I don't see any reason to doubt it.

          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Apparently Montefiore was in Epstein's little black book. :what-the-hell:

            https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/i5orop/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_the_letter_s_in_jeffrey/

          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Montefiore had access for the first time to unsealed Soviet records he says were about Beria investigating the rumors, finding out to his shock they were probably true and covering it up again.

            Did he publish the records? According to the reddit post:

            [Montefiore] cites a statement by KGB head Serov that supposedly confirms the story but there is no actual reference to this document in the bibliography, nor an image of the document in question. The only direct quote from this source is: “J. V. Stalin started living together with her.” [i.e. in the same house as her parents]

          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Thanks for the context. I don't remember the details of the discussion I read, so I'll take the doubts with a grain of salt then.

            There was a DNA test a few years later (one of Stalin’s grandsons by Vasily volunteered) which corroborated Montefiorre’s story.

            I saw this too, in the Siberian Times, but when I shared it comrades told me it wasn't a reputable newspaper. Could have just been cope, idk.

            Edit: I think this may have been what I saw. I'm reading it now.

        • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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          Source for the Stalin stuff? Getting contradictory views from the replies thus far.

          When he was in exile/prison in Siberia he ostensibly had a child with a 14 year old from the village by the work camp. AFAIK the claim comes from his alleged descendant (IIRC they're claiming Stalin is their grandfather?) and there are no contemporary sources on it. I think there was talk of doing genetic testing between them and his known relatives, but I don't know what happened with that.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          Her name was Lidia Pereprygina and Stalin and her had two children, one died as an infant. He was 35 and living in exile in Kureika after getting moved around in various work camps. He had gotten arrested at a Bolshevik masquerade ball of all things

          It was March 1914. She was 14 years old. Stalin left sometime between winter 1916 and March 1917, then never spoke to her again nor had any interest in his son with her.