• Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    ah yes, ant-establishment. Fighting the oh so mighty trans establishment with all of it's congressional power.

    • berrytopylus [she/her,they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Have you ever talked to a transphobe? Like 80% of them believe that the LGBT Order is coming to force castrate them any minute now. Absolutely nuts.

      Conservative / libertarianism in general tends to pride itself on being anti authority and anti-establishment "Drain the swamp" even when they control society.

      • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Have you ever talked to a transphobe?

        pffft talking to strangers i dont already know. but luckily i dont have to deal with too much. My conservative catholic family kinda had to deal with it now that a cousin is a trans man and they know to stfu when it comes to talking to me.

        Conservative / libertarianism in general tends to pride itself on being anti authority and anti-establishment “Drain the swamp” even when they control society.

        that's been a point i've been making to people lately. Almost nobody is truly anti-authoritarian. Most of us want society a certain way and obtaining that is going to require "authoritarianism."

        • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]M
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          2 years ago

          Most of us want society a certain way and obtaining that is going to require “authoritarianism.”

          Gonna show my lib side here - am I mistaken, or is this kind of the entire thesis of Engels' "On Authority?" I've skimmed it, but havent actually read it.

          Yes I know its 4 pages I will read it today.

          • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            That's right. Engels wrote it as a response to other socialists' criticism of Marxism as authoritarian and his main point is basically that you can't aim to reorganize human society without a way to force change on everyone whether they want it or not.

            • ferristriangle [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              More generally than that, he was arguing that the necessity of authority doesn't come from any set of ideals but from material conditions. "The hours of the working day are fixed by the authority of the steam engine" and whatnot.

      • shimmer [undecided]
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        2 years ago

        There is a psychological phenomenon I've witnessed, where people are unable to accept an idea without applying it to themselves. Like they can't accept that trans people have needs and wants without feeling like it will encroach on themselves and change how they feel about their own gender. I don't know what to call it besides selfishness, or projection, or what. It's the same thing when nazis get called out and people who have never confronted their own racism feel attacked from the sidelines.

        Could it be an innate awareness in the US that at any point, any group could be "next', so it's like a game of musical chairs to put yourself in the group who is pointing at the next one to be persecuted? We are at an early stage with trans rights, these are the same people who would have been against desegregation or gay marriage.

        I mean we barely have those things. We've barely fixed anything when it comes to vulnerable minorities rights besides building a flimsy barrier to keep people from getting stoned to death by religious extremists.

        • Azarova [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          where people are unable to accept an idea without applying it to themselves.

          it really feels like empathy is an uncommon trait instead of one innate to everyone, which would be pretty bleak if true.