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Reactionary mod had a meltdown around COVID stuff and started purging anyone that wasn't a reactionary lib
Mod was an unironic ivermectin horsepaste cures COVID 19 guy if I remember correctly.
i guess it's inevitable that the antivaxxer and terf communities just vibe well, given how much both love to believe in the exact opposite of what evidence-based medical science recommends.
I thought WOTB was always obvious for being the reactionary Bernie crowd who are only attracted to him because they view them as anti-establishments and not for leftist ideas.
I guess I always thought it was a lib/socdem sub with generally good beliefs on non-economic topics like LGBTQ+ rights. The comments are half people confused like me, and the other half explaining to the first half how accepting trans people in society is just gonna give cis men access to girls bathrooms.
ah yes, ant-establishment. Fighting the oh so mighty trans establishment with all of it's congressional power.
Have you ever talked to a transphobe? Like 80% of them believe that the LGBT Order is coming to force castrate them any minute now. Absolutely nuts.
Conservative / libertarianism in general tends to pride itself on being anti authority and anti-establishment "Drain the swamp" even when they control society.
Have you ever talked to a transphobe?
pffft talking to strangers i dont already know. but luckily i dont have to deal with too much. My conservative catholic family kinda had to deal with it now that a cousin is a trans man and they know to stfu when it comes to talking to me.
Conservative / libertarianism in general tends to pride itself on being anti authority and anti-establishment “Drain the swamp” even when they control society.
that's been a point i've been making to people lately. Almost nobody is truly anti-authoritarian. Most of us want society a certain way and obtaining that is going to require "authoritarianism."
Most of us want society a certain way and obtaining that is going to require “authoritarianism.”
Gonna show my lib side here - am I mistaken, or is this kind of the entire thesis of Engels' "On Authority?" I've skimmed it, but havent actually read it.
Yes I know its 4 pages I will read it today.
That's right. Engels wrote it as a response to other socialists' criticism of Marxism as authoritarian and his main point is basically that you can't aim to reorganize human society without a way to force change on everyone whether they want it or not.
More generally than that, he was arguing that the necessity of authority doesn't come from any set of ideals but from material conditions. "The hours of the working day are fixed by the authority of the steam engine" and whatnot.
There is a psychological phenomenon I've witnessed, where people are unable to accept an idea without applying it to themselves. Like they can't accept that trans people have needs and wants without feeling like it will encroach on themselves and change how they feel about their own gender. I don't know what to call it besides selfishness, or projection, or what. It's the same thing when nazis get called out and people who have never confronted their own racism feel attacked from the sidelines.
Could it be an innate awareness in the US that at any point, any group could be "next', so it's like a game of musical chairs to put yourself in the group who is pointing at the next one to be persecuted? We are at an early stage with trans rights, these are the same people who would have been against desegregation or gay marriage.
I mean we barely have those things. We've barely fixed anything when it comes to vulnerable minorities rights besides building a flimsy barrier to keep people from getting stoned to death by religious extremists.
where people are unable to accept an idea without applying it to themselves.
it really feels like empathy is an uncommon trait instead of one innate to everyone, which would be pretty bleak if true.
If we all made posts there calling it "the new chapotraphouse sub" we could have it banned by the end of the day.
Yeah but they want to re-organize it! How dare you teach my children new social constructs as if they're the same as my current social constructs!
I just think we should put everything to a vote before we start changing things like whether or not I consider you human.
I agree. Everyone should be free to question and subvert gender norms, we shouldn't have to conform to society's wacky ideas of what forms of gender expression or identity are acceptable.
WotB has always been terrible, but honestly that's most of the political subs in that trash heap.
Picking the best political subs on reddit is like trying to determine which nugget of cat shit in the litter box should go on your sandwich
There's one that Biscuit accidentally shot out of the litter box onto the mat, and it's covered in wood pellets right now. I'm just waiting for it to marinate before I dig in. 🤤
I feel like that sub was always a right-wing op, it shouldn't be surprising that they became more openly right-wing on social issues imo.
I don't think anyone is against the principle of good faith questions and social commentary during times of change. but asking questions in bad faith and dehumanizing people in the course of "having your say" will result in others determining you are an asshole. why can't these people grasp this?
Yeah, people ask me questions about being trans all the time and i don't mind explaining at all. I'm the only trans person any of my friends know atm, ofc they're curious and ofc they do not automatically have a complete understanding of the trans experience. Far from it. Just yesterday i had to explain what cis means. It happens and i don't mind that at all because most people ask me such stuff in good faith, are quick to learn and often intuitively come to the right conclusions when you just lay out what we go through. when i explain irl how my country's name change laws work, absolutely nobody says "oh yes, that makes perfect sense, if judges wouldn't want to see expert opinions from two psychologists and wouldn't make sure that you're actually a real woman by asking you intrusive questions about your sex life, everybody would just invade women's bathrooms" because you have to spend 20 hours a day on terf twitter to cultivate that kind of brainsworms.
They didn’t go full antivax, they wouldn’t be a problem anymore if they did that
Explaining to a doctor that actually the rabies vaccine is way more dangerous than a bat bite.
Imagine the kind of weirdo that would hang out in a Sanders sub this long and also listens to Jimmy Dore. That is your answer.
I mean, I'm trying to imagine regularly listening to Dore. Even Dave Anthony disembarked from that train, and he's normally ride or die.
Even Dave Anthony disembarked from that train
Legit glad to hear this lmao
holy shit, but also LOL at the guy who says "I believe everyone should be taxed ten percent". Okay bud.
This is what happens when a) people don't read theory and b) every even sightly principled leftist gets kicked out or leaves.
It was already full of right winger pretending to be Bernie lovers(or they genuinely probably were and this is what happens when your only solution to capitalism isn't communism) and radlib imperialists
I agree with you in general but this particular sub is way worse than the other Bernie ones because it was literally hijacked by right wingers
"reorganize society" here meaning.... what, exactly?
Society is currently organized such that the most powerful have the most Capital, when it could be organized to give power to those with the most Gender
:surprised-pika: were the libs right about the bernie bros?
Yes, yes they were. broken clock etc etc
No they were not. By far. This sub was created by and for republicans who considered voting for Sanders. That's how electable he was.
you think "bernie bros" exist outside the minds of blue maga :warren-snake-green:
