OK, fuck, we need a new set of standards for intra-fediverse dunking. If we carry on as is, a lot of instances are gonna cut us off, justifying it with accusations of brigading and vote manipulation. Aaand... that's kinda a pretty valid reason.
Now, you might be thinking, "Well, they're gonna cut us off anyway, so what?" Yes. For some instances, they'll just be looking for an excuse to do what they wanted to do anyway. But. Some instances, that otherwise wouldn't, will probably follow suit with the good reason. We shouldn't just hand them that good reason. So, we need to be respectful and polite. How so? Well,
One. Don't link directly to arguments in the fediverse. Hexbear users should stumble upon them naturally or not at all. So…
B ...if you see a particularly dunk-worthy post, take a screenshot of it. You probably wanna check how your programme and/or operating system handles that and scrub any pesky meta-data out of it as need be. While you’re at it, COVER THE USERNAMES. Yours and theirs. Dunking is all well and good, but shaming makes hard feelings and resentment. We don’t want to shame our neighbors, we want to have a dialog with them. edit: just be carefull about metadata, nevermind the other bit
I hate to be the one to say it, but this is the way these things 'naturally grow'. Hell, we only pinged other users in r/cth and if they showed up we'd dunk on them and that was still called brigading.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons (in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades).
Also, complaining about upvotes is the most lame-ass thing I can imagine. Oh noes, my opinion isn't popular?!? Better become a psycho about it.
Edit: also if you posted at all in r/cth, no matter the ratio of posts there (I migrated over there after years of reddit posting) you would be called a cth bot or shill or whatever the insult of the day was if you posted outside of it, eventually leaving you posting to r/cth and it's derivatives because it was the only place you could have any kind of productive conversation, as unproductive as it mostly was.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons
it's very easy to differentiate when you can go to hexbear.net and see a link posted. This is a website; everything in the construction and interface is arbitrary -- what matters is how it makes users feel. If too many users feel that it's unfair, that we're not acting in good faith, they'll want us out.
in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades
we shouldn't be the cause of more stress and work for neighbor moderators.
They will feel like it's unfair if we don't bow and scrape to their shitty, poorly thought out, opinions. That is not an 'us' problem. If they feel it's unfair, they should dogpile us. It should be easy, they have way more users than us. Except they can't, because our moderation team is actually good at what they do (arguably too good as in the beginning they were deleting stuff from very confused libs wandering through here rather than letting us shit on then).
Us posting doesn't cause them stress, their own community constantly complaining about us posting is what is causing them stress, which again, they will do regardless of what we post or how we post it. I'm not suggesting we go in and ppb and 'hog out' on every bad opinion, but we are allowed to express ourselves according to their rules. As I've said multiple times federation or de-federation doesn't matter to me, as in general I will not be leaving this instance, as there is very little point, but moral patronizing forum etiquette is incredibly reddit behavior. If you want to post there forever, make another account.
just trying to think about this strategically. Like, if we're gonna do federation, we should make a solid go of it. But yeah, ultimately it doesn't matter.
when moderators on other instances see @hexbear.net, what will their gut reaction be? Ideally, it would be a positive one. Realistically, we don't want them associating us with more stress and work, if we can help it.
i've slept on it and yeah, i don't know what I was thinking. Remembering names is important, lets you know when a very silly person has entered the chat
OK, fuck, we need a new set of standards for intra-fediverse dunking. If we carry on as is, a lot of instances are gonna cut us off, justifying it with accusations of brigading and vote manipulation. Aaand... that's kinda a pretty valid reason.
Now, you might be thinking, "Well, they're gonna cut us off anyway, so what?" Yes. For some instances, they'll just be looking for an excuse to do what they wanted to do anyway. But. Some instances, that otherwise wouldn't, will probably follow suit with the good reason. We shouldn't just hand them that good reason. So, we need to be respectful and polite. How so? Well,
One. Don't link directly to arguments in the fediverse. Hexbear users should stumble upon them naturally or not at all. So…
B ...if you see a particularly dunk-worthy post, take a screenshot of it. You probably wanna check how your programme and/or operating system handles that and scrub any pesky meta-data out of it as need be.
While you’re at it,edit: just be carefull about metadata, nevermind the other bitCOVER THE USERNAMES. Yours and theirs. Dunking is all well and good, but shaming makes hard feelings and resentment. We don’t want to shame our neighbors, we want to have a dialog with them.Frankly, I'm not sure we can be contained. Pandora's box is open.
Yeah, probably. Though, we shouldn't fertilize any grudges. Let them grow naturally, and they'll be all the sweeter for it.
I hate to be the one to say it, but this is the way these things 'naturally grow'. Hell, we only pinged other users in r/cth and if they showed up we'd dunk on them and that was still called brigading.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons (in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades).
Also, complaining about upvotes is the most lame-ass thing I can imagine. Oh noes, my opinion isn't popular?!? Better become a psycho about it.
Edit: also if you posted at all in r/cth, no matter the ratio of posts there (I migrated over there after years of reddit posting) you would be called a cth bot or shill or whatever the insult of the day was if you posted outside of it, eventually leaving you posting to r/cth and it's derivatives because it was the only place you could have any kind of productive conversation, as unproductive as it mostly was.
it's very easy to differentiate when you can go to hexbear.net and see a link posted. This is a website; everything in the construction and interface is arbitrary -- what matters is how it makes users feel. If too many users feel that it's unfair, that we're not acting in good faith, they'll want us out.
we shouldn't be the cause of more stress and work for neighbor moderators.
They will feel like it's unfair if we don't bow and scrape to their shitty, poorly thought out, opinions. That is not an 'us' problem. If they feel it's unfair, they should dogpile us. It should be easy, they have way more users than us. Except they can't, because our moderation team is actually good at what they do (arguably too good as in the beginning they were deleting stuff from very confused libs wandering through here rather than letting us shit on then).
Us posting doesn't cause them stress, their own community constantly complaining about us posting is what is causing them stress, which again, they will do regardless of what we post or how we post it. I'm not suggesting we go in and ppb and 'hog out' on every bad opinion, but we are allowed to express ourselves according to their rules. As I've said multiple times federation or de-federation doesn't matter to me, as in general I will not be leaving this instance, as there is very little point, but moral patronizing forum etiquette is incredibly reddit behavior. If you want to post there forever, make another account.
just trying to think about this strategically. Like, if we're gonna do federation, we should make a solid go of it. But yeah, ultimately it doesn't matter.
:meow-hug: best wishes
I've just been through this rigmarole before, so I generally don't see the need to bother with it. Thanks, though! You as well!
Its actually against the rules to scrub the info and you have to link to it on dunk tank
yes, i'm arguing for a different set of rules for the new circumstances. Old rules would still apply to everything else
wont change anything, if we see we post, and we will see
it changes how we're perceived.
when moderators on other instances see @hexbear.net, what will their gut reaction be? Ideally, it would be a positive one. Realistically, we don't want them associating us with more stress and work, if we can help it.
I'm probably going to make accounts on different instances.
As an anarchist, I'll pass right under their radar.
That sounds like policing ourselves the way the Reddit admins wanted us to do, in some ways.
Part of the reason/perks in coming here is to brigade freely.
What would be the point of removing the names? Especially what’s the point of removing your own?
i've slept on it and yeah, i don't know what I was thinking. Remembering names is important, lets you know when a very silly person has entered the chat