https://hexbear.net/comment/3704910

  • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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    11 months ago

    how has media so successfully gaslit people into believing that the ukraine was ever even successful at being a liberal democracy? i guess all that rampant corruption that was covered by liberal outlets suddenly stopped being a thing when the SMO started thonk

    • GaveUp [she/her]
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      11 months ago

      Because they want and need to believe it so that it justifies their warmongering and bloodlust against Russia

      This essay is mentioned too often but it's so good https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

      Class analysis on imperialist propaganda and why Westerners believe it so easily

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      Same reason liberals still think the US is a democracy: if you just say something enough times loudly enough, people start to believe it.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        11 months ago

        I think a lot of them also don't really understand how the government works, and their conception of what "Democracy" means is so deeply enmeshed in the American Civil Religion that they're dealing with more of a religious article of faith than an actual political system grounded in the real world.

        • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          Of course it is, that's how "Democracy" has always worked. In what meaningful way has the US ever promoted Democracy? Yet every single military action abroad is justified by saying we're defending Democracy. It's not an actual thing, just a signifier (and practically speaking, democratic countries = countries that bend the knee to US hegemony).

          • PeeOnYou [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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            11 months ago

            practically speaking, democratic countries = countries that bend the knee to US hegemony

            This is exactly what is meant by democracy in the empire. They don't mean anything else and the only time it's important is if there isn't a willing dictator to install instead.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      11 months ago

      I doubt most of them knew Ukraine existed in any real sense. All I knew about Ukraine when things started to heat up is that it used to be part of the USSR and there was a revolution there in '14.

      • sexywheat [none/use name]
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        11 months ago

        was a revolution there in '14.

        was a revolution violet overthrow of a democratically elected government by torch-wielding neo-nazi thugs in '14

        FTFY 😘