https://hexbear.net/comment/3704910

  • VHS [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    next comes Taiwan, South Korea

    Ok. Cool, good.

  • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Oh shit. I'm going to go make accounts on lemm.ee when I want to do a LIB bit from now on. It really adds a layer of authenticity when pretending to be the worst person you can imagine.

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    1 year ago

    I told them that what they called Western hegemony is different from the rules based order. They said the rules based order is Western hegemony. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real Western hegemony is a rules based order. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don't even have that right now. We need more Western hegemony. And everyone at the same time was like "nooo" we are socialists, we are against Western hegemony. Socialists oppose Western hegemony. And I said but not social democrats. Social democrats are the socialists who support NATO.

    And I saw someone accuse my post of strawmanning.

  • lemmee [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Wow, is this some sort of Moscow-funded Russian disinformation bot farm instance? Russia is an existential threat to the US and we have to draw a line somewhere. This war is about democracy. A democratic Ukraine vs fascist Russia. If we don’t stop them in Ukraine, democracy is over.

  • SovietyWoomy [any]
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    1 year ago

    Step 1: Create a reverse Cuban missile crisis

    Step 2: Sell weapons to nazis

    Step 3: Take advantage of the chaos of war to use the IMF to loot the country

    Step 4: ???

    Step 5: Democracy

    • footfaults [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      You could honestly argue that it was America putting nukes in Turkey, and should actually be called the Turkish missile crisis

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      1 year ago

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  • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
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    1 year ago

    how has media so successfully gaslit people into believing that the ukraine was ever even successful at being a liberal democracy? i guess all that rampant corruption that was covered by liberal outlets suddenly stopped being a thing when the SMO started thonk

    • GaveUp [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Because they want and need to believe it so that it justifies their warmongering and bloodlust against Russia

      This essay is mentioned too often but it's so good https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

      Class analysis on imperialist propaganda and why Westerners believe it so easily

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Same reason liberals still think the US is a democracy: if you just say something enough times loudly enough, people start to believe it.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I think a lot of them also don't really understand how the government works, and their conception of what "Democracy" means is so deeply enmeshed in the American Civil Religion that they're dealing with more of a religious article of faith than an actual political system grounded in the real world.

        • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Of course it is, that's how "Democracy" has always worked. In what meaningful way has the US ever promoted Democracy? Yet every single military action abroad is justified by saying we're defending Democracy. It's not an actual thing, just a signifier (and practically speaking, democratic countries = countries that bend the knee to US hegemony).

          • PeeOnYou [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            practically speaking, democratic countries = countries that bend the knee to US hegemony

            This is exactly what is meant by democracy in the empire. They don't mean anything else and the only time it's important is if there isn't a willing dictator to install instead.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I doubt most of them knew Ukraine existed in any real sense. All I knew about Ukraine when things started to heat up is that it used to be part of the USSR and there was a revolution there in '14.

      • sexywheat [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        was a revolution there in '14.

        was a revolution violet overthrow of a democratically elected government by torch-wielding neo-nazi thugs in '14

        FTFY 😘

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Libs know exactly ONE thing about history - that Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler by letting him take the Sudetenland, and it didn’t stop him - and think it’s some universal truth that applies in every situation.

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      That exact analogy has been used by high ranking US officials to justify nearly every conflict since the WWII, including Korea, Vietnam, and the War on Terror.

      • Victor_Lucas [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        It's also not true at all, i.e not a fact. Chamberlain wanted to collaborate with Hitler, not appease him.

        Of course this is only surprising to Liberals who can't imagine why the leader of the British Empire would be a fascist 🤔💭◻️

      • rubpoll [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        If we aren't constantly killing millions of people, we might fail to kill the next Hitler.

        • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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          1 year ago

          But also remember that killing Hitler would make you just as bad as Hitler, sweaty.

          Killing poor people and destroying the ecosystem is fine tho

    • Victor_Lucas [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Liberals know exactly one thing about history and it's not even true

    • YoungBelden [any]
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      1 year ago

      it's so nice to be able to reduce the world to simple stories and metaphors

      i know the soviet union sucked bceause i've read (a summary of) animal farm

      i know violence is not the answer because i watched that one MLK car advert and idk ghandi or smth and also professor x is better than magneto

      i know putin is evil because someone compared him to voldemort and also its probably because his mom didn't love him

      blob-no-thoughts party-blob blob-no-thoughts party-blob blob-no-thoughts

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    1 year ago

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  • HighOnCopium [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    etc etc etc fucking etc.

    Suck. It. Bitches.

    people who type like this deserve gulag

  • adultswim_antifa [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    This is domino theory. It doesn't look good on paper, and it has lead to incredible amounts of war and death and destruction in the real world, including WW1. Many also argued that domino theory would lead to a bunch of democracies in the middle east after a democratic utopia was created in Iraq. No real world application for domino theory has been found.

  • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    It's such a perfect line because it reveals their total neoliberalization, the entire monstrous, bloody affair of war is justified by a potential Return on Investment.

  • betelgeuse [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    If Ukraine isn't open to Western investors then maybe Taiwan won't be either. Then South Korea. Then Poland. How will my boss's boss make a steady 15% on his capital if that happens?

    This is an investment in democracy.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    This amazes me

    It's funny that

    It's hilarious that

    I really like it that

    starting a sentence like that hides the reactionary rage! sus-soviet

  • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Libs are so desperate to have a cause. They want Biden to be the new FDR, they want a new arsenal for democracy, they want Putin to be Hitler, and so on. It's all hollow.