Here's how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.

These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.

Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe

If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn't make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.

If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.

We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs

      • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]M
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        1 year ago

        notice how my argument is well sourced while yours has zero evidence presented. ur comeback doesnt even make sense— use some damn punctuation! and “civilian trenches”? lol! please try to be coherent

      • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Hey please allow yourself a Peak on the Real story , if you have the Curage ...

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        you can repeat fascist lies as well , its your choice ,we try to help you ...

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        civilian trenches

        if your front yard is a trench the HOA is gonna get mad

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Why do people keep doing this? Why this deflection against admitting that there are many Nazis in the UA military establishment? Is it that important for you that UA be as pure and white as driven snow?

        • The dogspaw @midwest.social
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          1 year ago

          Why do people keep doing this? Why this defection against admitting that there are many nazi in the Russian military establishment? Is it that important for you that Russia be as pure as piss yellow snow

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Nah dude round them all up and shoot them in the head I don't care. I don't have a dog in this race, I just hope someone finds a way to get peace talks under way to end the killing, and that NATO is weakened in the end.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/19/zrjy-j19.html

        UN report confirms Ukrainians’ use of civilians as “human shields”

        In March, the Ukrainian government blamed Russian forces for the deaths of more than 50 elderly and disabled residents of a care home in the village of Stara Krasnyanka in the eastern province of Lugansk. According to Ukrainian officials, a fire broke out in the facility following a supposedly unprovoked attack on the innocents by Russian forces.

        In reality—in a case the report found to be “emblematic” of the war—on March 7, days before the attack, Ukrainian forces had taken up positions within the care home “as it had strategic value due to its proximity to an important road.” Previous requests by the facility to local Ukrainian authorities to evacuate residents were denied due to the fact that Kiev had mined the surrounding area and blocked roads, thereby preventing anyone from fleeing.

        Do you see what's happening? These fucking nazi fucks who have absolutely zero respect for human life are manipulating you with lies about atrocities by deliberately putting their own citizens in the crossfire of a war. This is the kind of shit nazis do. And your own institutions are the ones calling them out for it, not just the other side. And you just don't hear it.

          • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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            1 year ago

            This is my favorite thing y'all do. When you're presented something from a source you normally would trust on other subjects, but because it contradicts your preconceived notions its "insane".

            • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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              1 year ago

              Libs always reveal themselves to be homophobic (stop sucking Putin's dick) or ableist (you are fucking insane) when you push them hard enough.

              • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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                1 year ago

                I try to be fair about that second one because while I try to do so I haven't cut "insane" out of my vocabulary either, but you're right.

                • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  To be fair having beliefs that are not based in and are actually counter to material reality is pretty much the definition of insanity.

                  Saying something or someone is "insane" is a recognition that their beliefs are contrary to your own to such a degree that there is no reconciling them.

                  Sanity is a social construct based on shared belief and as such the lines are blurred on what is and is not sane, eg. in a evangelical christian setting belief in evolution is "insane."

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                It appears that you are indeed that far up your ass. McCarthyite levels of paranoia and delusion.

                Like they painted all the walls red at the general assembly.