Today I learner that I, a far left anarchist that desires the complete abolition of state and a direct democracy of the people, is an "anti communist clown that would gladly collaborate with fascists". And that apparently worshipping totalitarian dictatorships is the only real form of leftism and is definitely not fascism with a red coat of paint.
In fact, you're actively hoping for an opportunity to do so, just so you could oWn tHe tAnKiEs
a far left anarchist that desires the complete abolition of state
This is litteraly your previous comment. So what are you?
I mean, you're more than welcome to learn from us on Hexbear in good faith, but so far you just came out of the gate swinging, calling everyone a 'tankie' while the more you speak the more clear it gets that you don't know what you're talking about. So don't be surprised when people rightfully dunk on you. I too have a lot to learn but at least I know when to shut up.
You've already proven you don't know shit, don't have to keep doing that. So are you an anarchist or a socialist? Can you even differentiate between the two when it comes to the role of the state?
I'm an anarcho-socialist you whiny piece of shit. Anarchy. is. a. type. of. socialist. theory. I can't believe you call yourself a fucking leftist and don't even know that. It just goes to show how all you tankies are right wing LARPers pretending to be leftist because they like the aesthetics.
Yeah this ain't it chief. Still didn't awnser as to how socialists and anarchists differentiate when it comes to how both ideologies envision the role of the state.
But considering you act like you know all that, maybe explain it to me?
But you know what, on second thought, fuck it. There's no point on dunking you any further, it would just make me feel as pathetic as you. So far you've called yourself a socialist, an anarchist, an anarcho-socialist, without even giving a hint of having ever read anything that makes you able of even identifying what's what.
The Soviet Union ended the Holocaust, the only thing standing between the annihilation of Korea was the DPRK, without the communist party China would have been erased and become japanese territory. The people most able and willing to end genocide at the end of the day are communists.
Ahh yes, the “genocide” triggered by a drought and kulaks burning crops out of spite where more Russians and Kazakhs died than Ukrainians. And the “genocide” where Uyghurs were exempted from the one child rule and have an increasing population, and there’s zero evidence (or even claims) of any killings.
"Double Genocide" historiography is literally Nazi propaganda. It's not even a view supported by actual academic researchers & historians who are critical of the states which you are talking about.
Prove it. Hit me with your state dep drivel, come one let's see your zenz sources. Let's see some radio free Asia or some long since debunked malcalculus of 50 bazillion dead that counts "people that would have been born" and dead nazis.
Stop putting words in my mouth you little shit, you KNOW I don't think that
Remarkable how you apply a completely different standard of behaviour to others than you do to yourself. The person you replied to literally has an anarchist flag in their profile picture and, if you wanted to, you'd be able to confirm that they're an anarchist based on their comment history. Or you could have just asked. Heck, you could have even told them straight up that you're skeptical of their political orientation and you'd probably get a straight answer out of them in response.
I wonder what an anarchist would have to say about a person who egregiously and wilfully applies double standards? They probably wouldn't care. It's not like it's a big deal to anarchists to avoid the imposing of unjust hierarchies in the attempt to coerce others into silence and/or being banned via guilt-by-association. It's probably completely fine.
Neither do you it seems. I'm going to assume a couple of things here, correct me if I'm wrong.
You live in a western country
you're no older than 25
you've never read any theory. No Engels, no Marx, no Lenin, no Luxembourg, nothing.
you spend a lot of time watching streamers. probably v*ush, which is the only one I've heard of so far and god do I wish I didn't.
your political and ideological views are pretty much a direct representation of the views of said streamers.
anything to the left of you, you consider 'wrongthink', and attempt to shut down your own learning process by calling everyone who says things you don't like a tankie.
you don't like tankies because they are 'authoritarian' but refuse to learn what the question of authority actually entails. I'll link Engels' 'On authority' so you can read that and see where we're coming from (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm). There are also audiobooks because I'm assuming you won't read this either.
you can't spell 'bourgeoisie' without looking it up on the internet.
You believe that communists stabbed Makhnovia in the back
You believe that Makhnovia was an example of anarchist principals put into practice
You have no idea that the Makhnovists had a secret police, that they engaged in the summary execution of political rivals, and that committed genocidal acts against German settlers and especially Mennonites in Ukraine
You believe that communists stabbed the Spanish Republic in the back
You believe that major parts of the Spanish Republic are an example of anarchism put into practice
You have no idea that the Spanish Republic had forced labour camps, extreme levels of control over labourers and the movement and spending habits of the people, zero desire to lose their colonial holdings over the part of Morocco that was their colony because they aspired to colonise more of Africa and that they rejected overtures from the Moroccan people who sued for independence with very favourable conditions for the Spanish Republic, and all the apparatuses of state that you would expect from a typical government
You are unable to provide a functional definition of fascism without looking it up
Uh, yes I am? You don't know shit about my political opinions
You're an anti-communist clown that would gladly collaborate with fascists
In fact, you're actively hoping for an opportunity to do so, just so you could oWn tHe tAnKiEs
Eat shit
lol what
Let me rephrase that in a way you might better understand:
You're an anti-communist clown that would gladly collaborate with fascists
In fact, you're actively hoping for an opportunity to do so, just so you could oWn tHe tAnKiEs
Eat shit
Ah shit I just said the same thing @Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net said, ah well guess there isn't any better way to say it
Today I learner that I, a far left anarchist that desires the complete abolition of state and a direct democracy of the people, is an "anti communist clown that would gladly collaborate with fascists". And that apparently worshipping totalitarian dictatorships is the only real form of leftism and is definitely not fascism with a red coat of paint.
Care to show me where I ever said that?
Curious, just a few comments up you said you were a socialist
I am, what are you talking about
This is litteraly your previous comment. So what are you?
I mean, you're more than welcome to learn from us on Hexbear in good faith, but so far you just came out of the gate swinging, calling everyone a 'tankie' while the more you speak the more clear it gets that you don't know what you're talking about. So don't be surprised when people rightfully dunk on you. I too have a lot to learn but at least I know when to shut up.
I'd at least expect you to learn from history rather than slavishly follow piece of shit dictators like Stalin and Mao
You've already proven you don't know shit, don't have to keep doing that. So are you an anarchist or a socialist? Can you even differentiate between the two when it comes to the role of the state?
I'm an anarcho-socialist you whiny piece of shit. Anarchy. is. a. type. of. socialist. theory. I can't believe you call yourself a fucking leftist and don't even know that. It just goes to show how all you tankies are right wing LARPers pretending to be leftist because they like the aesthetics.
Yeah this ain't it chief. Still didn't awnser as to how socialists and anarchists differentiate when it comes to how both ideologies envision the role of the state.
But considering you act like you know all that, maybe explain it to me?
But you know what, on second thought, fuck it. There's no point on dunking you any further, it would just make me feel as pathetic as you. So far you've called yourself a socialist, an anarchist, an anarcho-socialist, without even giving a hint of having ever read anything that makes you able of even identifying what's what.
You're defending a literal fascist right now in this very thread.
Moss is a piece of shit and this instance is full of actual genocide deniers
Like this https://hexbear.net/post/372306
Guilt by association fallacy, as it's completely irrelevant to your OWN genocide denial that's being criticised here.
What exactly are you talking about? Where is my genocide denial?
You're siding with the genocide denialists. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.
So you have nothing?
Got it.
You're not even siding with genocide deniers you're siding with people that openly admit that genocide is justified.
Shut the fuck up. You are a fucking tankie. You have zero fucking right to lecture me on genocide you little shit.
The Soviet Union ended the Holocaust, the only thing standing between the annihilation of Korea was the DPRK, without the communist party China would have been erased and become japanese territory. The people most able and willing to end genocide at the end of the day are communists.
You're leaving out the fact that the Soviet Union and Communist China carried out/are carrying out genocides of their own.
Ahh yes, the “genocide” triggered by a drought and kulaks burning crops out of spite where more Russians and Kazakhs died than Ukrainians. And the “genocide” where Uyghurs were exempted from the one child rule and have an increasing population, and there’s zero evidence (or even claims) of any killings.
"Double Genocide" historiography is literally Nazi propaganda. It's not even a view supported by actual academic researchers & historians who are critical of the states which you are talking about.
Prove it. Hit me with your state dep drivel, come one let's see your zenz sources. Let's see some radio free Asia or some long since debunked malcalculus of 50 bazillion dead that counts "people that would have been born" and dead nazis.
The only things the Soviets did wrong was not killing enough people actually. Too many Nazis were allowed to survive by the US and UK
Why would a socialist nation do that?
I'm not even a tankie lol you make all these assumptions about me just because of the instance I am on.
This is just the alternate form of "I depicted you as the soyjak", Reddit ass argument
It's what you deserve. Good faith discourse is reserved for those that are willing to engage in it
Yikes!
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Remarkable how you apply a completely different standard of behaviour to others than you do to yourself. The person you replied to literally has an anarchist flag in their profile picture and, if you wanted to, you'd be able to confirm that they're an anarchist based on their comment history. Or you could have just asked. Heck, you could have even told them straight up that you're skeptical of their political orientation and you'd probably get a straight answer out of them in response.
I wonder what an anarchist would have to say about a person who egregiously and wilfully applies double standards? They probably wouldn't care. It's not like it's a big deal to anarchists to avoid the imposing of unjust hierarchies in the attempt to coerce others into silence and/or being banned via guilt-by-association. It's probably completely fine.
Look at the way you talk, you're a child
Neither do you it seems. I'm going to assume a couple of things here, correct me if I'm wrong.
You believe that communists stabbed Makhnovia in the back
You believe that Makhnovia was an example of anarchist principals put into practice
You have no idea that the Makhnovists had a secret police, that they engaged in the summary execution of political rivals, and that committed genocidal acts against German settlers and especially Mennonites in Ukraine
You believe that communists stabbed the Spanish Republic in the back
You believe that major parts of the Spanish Republic are an example of anarchism put into practice
You have no idea that the Spanish Republic had forced labour camps, extreme levels of control over labourers and the movement and spending habits of the people, zero desire to lose their colonial holdings over the part of Morocco that was their colony because they aspired to colonise more of Africa and that they rejected overtures from the Moroccan people who sued for independence with very favourable conditions for the Spanish Republic, and all the apparatuses of state that you would expect from a typical government
You are unable to provide a functional definition of fascism without looking it up
That’s a pretty big assumption that they’d have enough historical knowledge to even know these were a thing.
Nah robert evans did an episode about Makhno and listening to podcasts is probably all the theory this user needs