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  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    11 months ago

    he wouldn't be nearly as hated by these people.

    I honestly cannot remember how they talked about him in the before times. It certainly wasn't with this level of mindlessness, but I'm also pretty certain they hated him back them too.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      it depends whether you define the "before times" as pre-2022 or pre-2014. I think before 2014 he was just another world leader to some extent. he was initially hated a lot post-2014 I remember but because the invasion of Crimea was so quick (relative to this invasion) it was hard for a ton of self-reinforcing narratives to be set up in the media, and this was before the rise of calling everybody a tankie or calling out China on every political post, so within a couple years it was back to "strong-man Putin". Russiagate obviously made his reputation tumble but if you weren't really into that, you could still have been neutral on him leading up to 2022.