no need to write an essay or anything
some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don't know what's serious and what's irony
no need to write an essay or anything
some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don't know what's serious and what's irony
Trump is a grotesque monster, but he’s hated by libs not for vile actions, but because he was rude. We don’t value civility here, so we can laugh at him when he’s funny, but he and every living American president deserves to be tried in The Hague
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Not you @Civility@hexbear.net, we love you
See, this is why I don't trust y'all. How can you pretend to be leftist when to you the fundamental difference between Trump and any other political administration is literally just that he's rude.
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
If none of that means anything more than being rude or not, you're not a leftist. You're a cosplayer.
Who crushed the rail strike
who let roe v wade expire
how many oil drilling licenses were given out in the last 4 years
lol
All presidents are bad, and all advance the cruelty of the previous president. Are we still ignoring covid? are we still imprisoning people at the border?
Who was a vocal supporter of segregation?
Democrats and Republicans exist as two parts of a rightward political ratchet system. Biden as VP was only run because he was the more right wing counterbalance to Obama's "radical socialist agenda" We get one
in the white house and suddenly Biden is the "most pro labor president in history"? Come the fuck on.
His policies and the continuation of them under Biden are no fundamentally different in scope or malaciousness than any other previous president. Trump is the most exagerrated symptom of American political rot, not a new disease process.
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For that: see the other comments in this thread. Bunch of people basking in the privilege of their rights not being directly threatened. Give me a fucking break.
Ain't a leftist to be seen.
excuse me, what? I'm not white and I'm transgender. my ability to exist in public is under direct and immediate threat. this is a deeply offensive comment not to mention the excusal of the imperialist policy of quite literally every American president and their impact on people elsewhere around the globe or the direct explanations you've received about how little has changed in the transition from trump to biden. miss me with this "I'm the only real leftist" bullshit, liberal.
Yeah. No one’s rights have ever been under threat in the past by the action or inactions of previous administrations. Get a fucking grip
Literally more leftist than you are.
Good one
More leftist than you are. Checkmate tankie
Bet they haven't even conquered one bread
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Oh yeah? Prove it. Name every communist party in Nepal.
“I vote for conservatives like Joe Biden and that makes me more of a leftist than you”
"Shut up actual oppressed minorities if you keep complaining about Biden and the realities of your lived experience I'll start calling you privellaged while insisting I'm more of a leftist than you"
We're dog piling you because your opinions are bad, not because we don't know what oppression feels like you dip.
this is you:
ok vaush
The Democrats refused to fight to protect Roe V Wade. That would have been popular even with conservatives. There could have been no real downside. What makes you think they will do anything to protect you when the time comes? You are one of the people best positioned to see how much of it is just a show.
whose rights are uniquely threatened by trump? libs always stay as vague as possible when they actually have to make an argument.
I'm a leftist and a trans woman. My rights, you chud.
Good thing Biden is fighting so hard for trans rights! Plus he codified Roe so people have control over their bodies, and freed the children in cages and the prisoners in Guantanamo bay and compensated them for being tortured for 20 years, and he gave the people of Afghanistan their money back preventing mass disease and famine
what has biden done to stop states from legislating away our ability to exist in public spaces? rights aren't real. either we take power and force the state to recognize our humanity or we'll get wiped off the face of the earth. the sooner you libs realize that and the fact that the dems aren't allies, the sooner we can get that done.
Trans rights - they're right to even just exist is under threat. The comrades on hexbear take that seriously, it's an extremely trans friendly space.
If you want to make a harm reduction arguement for strategic voting for dems in key swing areas, i get it, I'd even agree more than likely. But to pretend like the dems are actively allies, are actively defending trans rights, or for that matter actively doing anything materially different than republican admins is another thing.
You say you dont trust us because we don't view Trump as uniquely different from other admins. We don't but why should we? What us the unique difference?
My right to exist. I'm a trans woman who is very aware that I may need to flee the country in the next few years depending on where things go. I'm extremely aware of the attacks on my life and my access to the medication I need. This shit is not abstract for me.
There's a very big difference between having lipservice support from the federal government while living in a state that's literally one of the best places on Earth to transition, and hoping said state will protect me from a federal government that's actively hostile.
Are federal Democrats actively allies to trans people? Eh.
Are Massachusetts Democrats? You bet your ass they are. We've got more rights than trans people in most of the EU. We have informed consent, mandatory insurance coverage for trans health care, actual legal protection from discrimination.
You act like there's no difference, but I'm literally better protected here than I would be anywhere outside of like maybe like the Netherlands.
I'm not in this to act like a high school child, I'm in it because people want to fucking wipe me and everyone like me out.
This post is about whether trump is a worse federal executive than any other federal executive in the last ~40 years. Massachusetts Dems being good on trans rights has nothing to do with that.
If there is some connection then please explain it
funny how you do nothing to respond to the other trans person in the thread. As another trans woman, it saddens me to see you use your voice to spout liberal nonsense. Get a grip and look around, all of them are the same, falling toward a reactionary shithole.
HOW LONG WILL THEY PROTECT YOU
If you have to vote for your own right to exist, and they still are under threat, the system is designed to hurt you.
Some are better, but they will all go the same way eventually, and do you really think the democrat party will go out of their way to take true meaningful action against the injustices against us?
America is not your hero, if it is, then you are no comrade of mine, trans or not. You have chosen your white privilege over the existence of those in the third world because you play into the game. How many trans kids are murdered due to the imperialism in the 3rd world that America, under democrats and republicans alike, perpetuates. Even if you're doing so well in your little land of Massachusetts, what about the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan? Just fuck them? They should die? Just become some are good that is a fucking exception (a lousy one at that, if you ask me), not the rule. If your attitude is "fuck you got mine" then how can you claim to be left at all?
Our rights are being stripped away biden or not, trump or not, its happening. America is collapsing into fascism. You're smarter than this, don't play this stupid game when we both know how it ends.
Hey, I want to apologize. Having read more by you, I can understand your fears more clearly. I sincerely hope you can find a way to leave the US, because the trends for trans people are truly terrifying. I know I probably came across very flippant, and I just want a chance to explain myself a bit.
The Biden regime is currently in possession of funds that rightfully belong to the people of Afghanistan. By stealing this money, america is dooming hundreds of thousands of children to death by starvation and illness. My heart breaks for you and other people trapped inside the US regime, but you are not fundamentally more worthy of sympathy than the kids in Afghanistan. I desire a world in which both you and those children can live the life you deserve, and the only way I can see that happening is if the American state is destroyed
Also, because I don’t want to derail this too much,I am choosing a single topic because it shows the lack of a difference between trump and any given democrat. The people of Afghanistan would face the same cruelty no matter who is in charge. The same point could be made over and over again, whether we are talking people in Yemen, or Palestine, or Cuba. America is evil, and only causes harm in the world
I'm sorry that I didn't make assumptions about your identity before you offered them. If you could clarify you position instead of giving snarky one sentence responses that might help.
for example: what are the dems doing for trans rights? can you give any specifics?
Believe it or not, there are other countries in the world besides America. Most of us are internationalists, in that are goal is the liberation of all people. By that view, there is very little difference between trump and Biden. Both are warmongering ghouls who preside(d) over an empire that brings untold suffering to millions of people
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You know who's really been threatened? All those people Biden deported using Title 42, a Trump era policy, Biden even doubled Trump's deportation numbers in less than half the time and even now, miss me with that fake ass "lesser evil" nonsense, you libs are just as regressive and disgusting as the Trumpers
Wow a liberal calling a bunch of minorities and transgender people privellaged because their telling the liberal their lives didn't get better under a democratic president.
Better actively try to silence the voice of the actually oppressed and continue to insist anybody who doesn't enthusiastically support the president who has done such outreach as "give ma a break, I'm serious I have no sympathy" is just privellaged or a liar.
You realize you're literally ACTUALLY doing all the things you just said we have to vote for Biden to stop right.
Kinda seems like you're proving the point that the only real difference is when a dems president libs start telling people not to complain because it makes them look bad.
Like how Dejoy being head of usps was a huge scandal the entire time Trump was in office, whatever happened to that guy after Biden threw him out on his ass day one?
Here’s one more difference between trump and other presidents: he was less harmful than bush and probably Clinton and Obama. Clinton was responsible for turning the Democratic Party into the neoliberal garbage it is now, bush killed hundreds of thousands of people and devastated multiple countries, and Obama oversaw one of the greatest transfers of wealth from the poorest to the richest the world has ever seen
also what Obama/Clinton did in Libya is an unspeakably horrifying crime. just thinking about it makes me shake with rage. also Yemen.
Absolutely. All of them have so much blood on their hands and I will celebrate their deaths with glee. It will be a small pleasure compared to the countless lives they extinguished and cast into poverty but it’s all I can expect when it comes these monster
Yeah, Obiden killed hundreds of thousands of Yemenis in a war that started under Obama and mostly concluded under Biden, not because of Joe's humanitarianism, but because Saudi and Iran made some kind of peace deal.
you are forgetting clinton war crimes in europe (serbia) and obama war crimes in north africa (libya)
You’re absolutely correct. There’s probably even more, I was trying to highlight what I think were their most influential actions of each of their terms. It’s a bleak exercise though
they're saying the only difference between him and any other liberal. you forget that imperialism and white supremacy are the defacto policy of the US government, regardless of the views of any president.
How has Biden meaningfully and systemically improved any of those items? A small tax credit to pell grant recipients who have 3 or more children is not systemic. Trying halfassedly and failing to forgive student loans is not systemic. Giving everyone $600 is not systemic.
Please give meaningful, concrete examples of systemic items that Biden has resolved? Systemic is the key word here. I'd love to hear what you think Biden has done to systemically address literally any of the items you laid out in your post as leftist ideals. Because you're right, they are leftist ideals. It's just that the Biden admin and the entire Democratic party hasn't done a single thing to solve any of the systemic issues behind those items.
And this is why we don't trust libs. Because as soon as a blue candidate gets into office you become blind to the problems in america
Rights of workers: Biden literally busted Unions. Come on man
Oppressed Minorities: Biden quite literally continued Trump's migration policies when he first entered office. There have been some marginal improvements, but as someone who worked directly in migrant communities and legal aid during the time, I can confidently say his policies have been nearly indistinguishable to the masses of people hurting and need help. There are administrative changes he could make with the wave of a pen to make the process easier, but there's no desire for it in the actual rooms of power within the Democratic party.
Plus, Biden and other mainstream Dems fought against defund the police almost harder than the right wing did. Funding for the most oppressive institution in this country has increased dramatically.
PLUS the fucking democrats never codified Roe v Wade despite having all 3 branches of government.
Protection of the environment: Driving off a 100 foot cliff at 60 mph is quite frankly just as bad as driving off at 75 mph. The Democrats engage in soft climate change denialism. They say vapid shit like "believe the science," but then completely ignore what the science says we have to do which is stop fucking drilling for more Fossil Fuels and switch as fast as possible to renewables. Instead we get weasely promises about investing in green technologies that may or may not actually work out of one side of their mouths, and a dramatic increase in fossil fuel production on the other. They're just green washing their anti-environmental ambitions so useful idiots feel warm and fuzzy.
Access to education: you're going to have to point to something you think is good, because I literally can't even begin to imagine what you're thinking is going well in this regard.
How were any of the things you listed helped by Biden being in office? Are any of those things better in this country now that he's gone?
We don't support him, he is awful on all these aspects, but so are all US admins, because they all serve capital.
Every single other president in history is a war criminal murderous bastard.
The libs didn't like this war criminal murderous bastard because he made it incredibly obvious while doing it, when the operating procedure is supposed to hide it behind a layer of ""professionalism"" (liberal culture).
All of them are bastards, barring none. All of them are responsible for the countless deaths of thousands upon thousands of people all over the world. They're all murdering bastards of empire reaping hell upon the entire world.
You just ignored it until this particular one made it too obvious.
Lmao absolutely none of these involve foreign policy. It's very telling that you're a nationalist who is ok with the hell america reaps everywhere else. Let's go through them one by one though eh?
Workers rights - lol, like any president in history has ever been pro workers, including Biden who broke the rail strike
Minorities - lol, like any president in history has ever been pro minorities
Environment - lol, lmao even
Health - lol dems have always been great on health right? That's why america still has no fucking healthcare system. Fuck me how naive are you?
Education - 21% of americans are illiterate
It's fucking wild that you people only attribute this to republicans, you're completely fucking blind to the fact that the ruling class owns both of these parties and that they use them both to continually fuck you over while somehow fooling dipshits like you into thinking one half of the capitalists is good actually if only it weren't for the mean half of the capitalists. Fucking open your eyes for fucks sake.
May as well throw Chomsky on the crimes of every US president here too since it's relevant.
is this a bit? no "other political adminstration" in the fourth reich has done anything about those things except use the empty promises to garner votes in this potemkin democracy. use dialectical and historical materialism or shut the fuck up
Technically the current German government are the post-nazi inheritors of the Nazi reich, while america is the og inspiration of the reich.
I agree, but I use the term for the hegemon's salvaging of what was left of the third reich for nato, merely a chronological distinction
Because every POTUS oppresses and murders minorities, destroys the environment, denies healthcare to millions who desperately need it, demonizes immigrants/foreigners, and perpetuate a capitalist system that is going to destroy us in pursuit of the Almighty Dollar™. Trump is not unique in this regard and he will not escape the terror anymore than any other Washington ghoul. He just also happens to treat reality like his own personal ongoing TV series and luckily for us it's more "That's My Bush!" than "House of Cards". It's objectively more entertaining than anything boring beltway insiders have to offer.
If you're concerned about the environment, I think you could make the case that the Obama/Biden administration literally has the worst environmental record in the history of human governance.
thinking about all the times Obama bragged about turning the US into a net petroleum exporter
Get back to us when Dems do anything about any of that?
It's genuinely impressive that you've managed to miss the point this hard.